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36 minutes ago, Roshan321 said:

@Hyaenidae Im not agee with your point about Corolla, it has been recalled so many times and I can remember Toyota recall lot from Europe or USA because of acceleration issue , please see below there recall rate fro Corolla

http://www.toyotaproblems.com/models/corolla/recalls/ 

one issue is Air bag and se the coment for it

"An inflator explosion may result in sharp metal fragments striking the driver or other occupants resulting in serious injury or death."

Also Honda Vessel , what about the gear box issue?  so we cannot say Japanese vehicles are perfect , I can give you so many examples for failure of Japanese cars. But again its understandable its better than Chinese (as at today, we dont know what is in the future)

That airbag recall affected almost all car manufacturers including Japanese and European manufacturers. Even BMW, BENZ, Volkswagon, and GM cars were recalled. If you want to learn more, Search for "TAKATA airbag recall".

Vezel was never meant for Sri Lankan conditions. Can't blame Honda for the fault of our grey market vehicle importers.

Nobody said Japanese cars are perfect, everybody is saying your revolutionary Dong- something 580 couldn't possibly be as perfect as you make it out to be.

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@LMS  since you mentioned that you are using this vehicle for some time, could you please let us know the driving performance, pulling power etc. Im interest to know that since this 7 seater vehicle and the weight . 

Found this Head to Head comparison with new Honda CRV (One of my favorite but dont have money to afford )  

 

 

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2 hours ago, Roshan321 said:

However they are building Bridge from one Island to other by using their technology. So that's the way they do.

Exactly, They have the technology, but that does not mean they put all that technology into a budget vehicle. Or they are going to sell you that technology on a budget. That's what the Taiwanese did, but not the Chinese business model anymore. You get what you pay for. That's what I've seen so far in every Chinese product and I doubt future cars will be any different. Same as the mobile phone market or the consumer electronics market.

Forget about the Safety, All the electronics gizmos included in the vehicle are built to fall within this budget scheme. Automotive electronics is an entirely different segment of electronics design. Even the components are rated for automotive applications from the silicon level manufacturer and they cost much more than your run of the mill electronics. Even from the Chinese manufacturers, Automotive stuff is expensive. Even for a mass manufactured vehicle, I can't see how they managed to fit everything into this vehicle for this budget with automotive grade quality.

1 hour ago, Roshan321 said:

it has been recalled so many times and I can remember Toyota recall lot from Europe or USA because of acceleration issue

Yes, Toyotas have been recalled so many time, that's the good part, They recall their mistakes. 

No product is perfect, and people make mistakes all the time. But private companies run the risk of ruining their reputation if they try to cover up their mistakes(VW diesel anyone?). So they have to recall and fix and rebuild the customer loyalty. 

Now think about DFSK, they are majority owned by the government of People's Republic of China. Any problem in a vehicle? well that can't be true because the government of china does not make any mistakes. nobody wants to acknowledge that for the company(or the country). Technology is not just a economic sector for some countries, technology is the key in showing their political and socio-economic superiority to the world (The same reason they build that massive bridge). So admitting a mistake in their design and recalling is suicide in current economic war between china and the west.

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Im convinced. Im gonna buy this DFSK 580. can some one give me a contact of a marketing guy pls.

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2 minutes ago, Quiet said:

Im convinced. Im gonna buy this DFSK 580. can some one give me a contact of a marketing guy pls.

Taking one for the team I see, for SCIENCE

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@alds thanks for the update with good facts . We all learning and as far as I know we dont know much about what Chinese doing and what their future plans. Even facebook is restricted inside. they are not allowing western media to get their details. we all know how US CIA break countries with their intelligence forces. no escape for Sri Lanka I guess 😀. This is another topic anyway.

Regarding your below point

"I can't see how they managed to fit everything into this vehicle for this budget with automotive grade quality." 

What I found is if this vehicle import directly by Agent then  it will nearly cost 1o MIl according to today taxes . (I got to know it was cost 8Mil when its  imported directly from Malaysia before new tax introduced) . According to government regulations, if any imported vehicle 30 % of values (Labour and material) doing Sri Lanka then they will get import tax reduction. So Agent implemented plant here and they import this Vehicle with separate Engine and Gera box, and Seat Frames then fix it here . Leather seating and Buffer doing here as well. so that's how this vehicle come to this cost. even in the CR also mention that Assemble in brand new parts. Apart from Engine, Gearbox and Seats and Buffer, full Chassis , doors, interior coming as brand new. That's how this vehicle price come down to 6 Mil. Also I got to know that DFSK Engineers are visited Sri Lanka to inspect this Installation process and the outcome they check whether if its same output as Brand new export Vehicle to Europe. After their citification only  UML be able to start the process. So there is proper quality control process behind these. Did you see the Vehicle yourself ? I have sen it and also did test drive , built quality and driving experience is superb, it has most of latest feature. Interior , you can easily compete it with Japanese Vehicle. I have compared the out look with same model in youtube from reviews in other Europe countries , exactly same look. We should proud that Sri Lankan did that level out put for buffer and Leather seats. Anyway this 30% will coming to Sri Lanka and this how we need to develop. I heard Mahendra also setup assemble plan in Sri Lanka. This is good. Im not saying that some one to sacrifice their money for test these kind vehicle , but comparing the built, features, price I think this is value for money. However Still im not decided to buy this and welcome your comments with facts. Please do not talk about me talk about the facts im saying.

found this from youtube

 

 

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Well M8 no science is required here. It is bloody obvious for even a guy with an average IQ.

But these arguments will not serve any purpose in promoting this vehicle.

Its one thing having all the bells and whistles and its another thing how it works in the real world.

Example : I have driven a Wagon R, Vezel and a Audi which have the collision mitigation braking system. Wagon R and Vezel, its near impossible to drive in Colombo Traffic with it on. However Audi, so far has worked perfectly.

Rs.6-7Mn is no peanuts in present context and to invest in a Iffy vehicle is financial suicide. I do not know if any bank in Sri Lanka will offer 50% leasing to this vehicle.

 

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I just did a little research on the prices of midsized crossovers in China itself. Perhaps this should give an indication of where our 'turning point of quality' vehicle fits in. BTW these are also China-assembled vehicles for the Chinese market.

DFSK 580  Base price CNY 78,900 

Honda CRV Base price CNY 199,000 (made by Dong Feng)

Kia Sportage Base price CNY 144,900 

Volkswagen Tiguan Base price CNY 340,000 

Nissan Terra Base price CNY 169,800 (Made by Dong Feng)

GAC Trumpchi GS5 Base price CNY 123,800

Zotye SR9 Base price CNY 110,000

These are vehicles that are more or less the same size as the DFSK 580 (belonging to Midsized crossover category) From this quick comparison, it seems that the DFSK 580 is a cheap product even by Chinese standards. For example, the CRV and the Terra made by the same company costs double. Going by this, I tend to believe that DFSK 580 is nothing but a cheap vehicle with some shiny bells and whistles. Quite analogous to the well-painted women who stand by the roadside during evenings :)

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5 minutes ago, Crosswind said:

I just did a little research on the prices of midsized crossovers in China itself.

 

The MG ZS: Base price CNY 73,800

Looks like we Sri Lankans get what's at the bottom of the Chinese barrel of SUVs

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Just to give u guys an indication, the cheapest car in Europe is Dacia Sandero (Renault Kwid without AC and with manual shutters). That costs about $8,500. In comparison, the DFSK 580 price is equivalent to US$ 10,900. Just $1,500 over the price of the cheapest car. And we really talk about what a great quality vehicle it is!

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13 minutes ago, Crosswind said:

Just to give u guys an indication, the cheapest car in Europe is Dacia Sandero (Renault Kwid without AC and with manual shutters). That costs about $8,500. In comparison, the DFSK 580 price is equivalent to US$ 10,900. Just $1,500 over the price of the cheapest car. And we really talk about what a great quality vehicle it is!

Exactly, You can't physically fit all that electronics features into that price point. Yet they claim a engine made in Belgium and a CVT from somewhere is included in the price. 

@Roshan321 I saw the video you linked before. That's more of an advertisement about Unit** Moto** than the actual vehicle. I couldn't help but feel sorry about the gentleman who knew nothing much about the vehicle being convinced to purchase by the salespeople there.

 

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45 minutes ago, PreseaLover said:

Came back now :D 

Was worried you'd miss this... would've been a real shame, we didn't have any real "entertainment" around here for quite some time ne 😁

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14 minutes ago, Hyaenidae said:

Was worried you'd miss this... would've been a real shame, we didn't have any real "entertainment" around here for quite some time ne 😁

Don't shout. We are watching the drama. :P

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Hi Guys , Honda CRV is anyway my favorite, but it cost nearly double the price of DFSK 580 (im talking about buying from Agent , not from car sales craps) . However I believe its better to buy any vehicle from the agent if you buy new one. may be you have to pay little more, but you will get more advantages. eg: Honda recently recall airbag sencer unit for my Civic (2009 FD1) because of my one bought brand new from Stafford they have contacted me and replace that units in two airbags free of charge. If I bought it from sale (I think my model was not available with car sales at that time) then there will be no replace or even I didn't know till I get accident. Now there are so many new Honda CRV in car sales but we dont know the quality or what crap are those. 

Anyway still I believe this DFSK 580 is very good vehicle by comparing the built quality and the feature for the price. definitely value for the money. As I mentioned earlier if anyone has 10-15 Mil then no point of discussing here and straight away go and buy Japanese SUV. I think its a waste of time comparing Japanese SUVs with this one without forgetting huge money gap.

Found a video about this in Russia.

 

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Hey,  just found that they have released pro version of DFSK 580, very impressive. 

 

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11 hours ago, kusumsiri said:

Don't shout. We are watching the drama. :P

Looks like it's turning out to be one of those mega-dramas... 🙄

After watching 100 or so episodes, when you start to think that the drama is finally coming to a conclusion, suddenly you find that it has come all the way back to the frigging square 1 on the 101st episode! 

I don't know whether to feel amused or annoyed rn 😬

 

 

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I read through the whole thread and I want to point out couple of things

  • Spending 6 million on a vehicle is no way small money, let it be a 7 seater or not. I would be seriously concerned before spending that kind of money on a car made by a recent manufacturer and on a vehicle which is yet to prove itself in SL.
  • I agree that it is the only 7 seater brand new SUV in that price but just cuz it's brand new doesn't mean that it will be less troublesome than a used Japanese vehicle, I have come across Toyota vehicles from the 80s with all the electronics still working. We know how it turned out for people who went after a brand new Chinese car over a used Japanese car from the same price range.
  • Chinese cars have terrible second market, again if I'm spending on 6 million on a vehicle, I would be concerned about it's second market to a certain extent
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@Magnum Thank you for valuable feedback. agree with all of your points. still I didn't decide to buy this vehicle and still searching. Always there is risk when we go for new thing , do something out of the box. Specially when we think about previously built Chinese vehicle. But according to my research about this vehicle its not the same as previously built Chinese ones. It was mentioned in most of the reviews specially done in Europe countries like, Germany, Italy,  and one I share from Peru.  I have seen this vehicle and had a test drive. Built quality is very impressive. Even you cannot say it is a Chinese vehicle. By the way taking risk is depend on the financial capabilities as well. Otherwise we will not talk here too much and even buy Japanese SUV or buy this one and do other work 😊.

Anyway I would suggest you to look this vehicle yourself and have a test drive and give your comment. 

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Whilst I must admit the new 580 looks nice and appears to be a bargain for 6 million it's  CA# series predecessor 7 seaters on the road look pretty beaten up bodywork wise compared to Japs and Euros of similar vintage. However on the other hand I also remember in 2011 hybrid vehicle owners were at the receiving end on AL forums ☺️

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12 minutes ago, mcs627 said:

 However on the other hand I also remember in 2011 hybrid vehicle owners were at the receiving end on AL forums ☺️

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Californikan  🤭

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