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@vag2 at last you are talking about some facts, thank you. Sorry Im not clear what you mean

"Do you even know if this vehicle has been put through a environment and road test in Sri Lanka? Is it a tropicalized version?" 

i like to learn from you, you asking if this vehicle tested in Sri Lanka roads? thats im not sure. need to check with the Agent. But Im sure this is fit to Sri Lanka climate as this is made in Indonesia and selling for Asian countries like Indonesia, Pakistan ,Korea, India

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I guess only around 3-5 donkey  (Sorry DFSK) 580 owners in Sri Lanka exist and I have seen one on the road. Strange thing is nearly 50% of the owners are in this forum :rolleyes:

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First and for most i  categorically denie the comment which say that I do Gurilla Marketing.😪    i posted my personal exprience with 580. Not by any means i do what you call Gurilla Marketing . When the vehicle i use is so far good , don't i have my rights to say that it is GOOD. and when i say it is good some say i do Gurilla , With out talking facts and figures to the point. No use of beting around the bush. Talk to the point  . If any body wants i am always ready to give my telephone no , even . If i may put all in a nutshell all i say is that , DFSK 580 SUV made in Indonesia brought here by UNIMO ( earlier they were the people who initially brought Mg . Please vist their web) is a GOOD, RELIABLE vehicle with 7 seater , dual ac, SPECIALLY With retaractable mirrors which u don't in මේ සංසාරේ get in MG+ tyre pressure monitor + find my car option + follow me home option +1500 turbo engine + 4 cylinder + Electronic parking break ( not found in mg .unless when u disengage hand break manually , thinking that it is being done Electronically )+++++ many more.

And be mindful , that i am not saying that 580 is better than X5 BMW, Q7 and similar vehicles all i say is that 580 is the ONLY vehicle one can buy for 6 M , and value for your money in every aspect when compared to MG and vehicles in that category.

 

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Dear Quiet, that this is a friendly request for you to inform u that people who use 580 are not donkeys. They may be wrong and be deceived but  If you keep on thinking like that we have to decide who the real donkey is. We should not under value our human qualities just because of a piece of metal shit. You may have seen 1 or 2 vehicles that’s ur problem but I have seen 7 vehicles only in my area!

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1 hour ago, LMS said:

Dear Quiet, that this is a friendly request for you to inform u that people who use 580 are not donkeys. They may be wrong and be deceived but  If you keep on thinking like that we have to decide who the real donkey is. We should not under value our human qualities just because of a piece of metal shit. You may have seen 1 or 2 vehicles that’s ur problem but I have seen 7 vehicles only in my area!

Seven is excellent, good that you kept a count

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6 minutes ago, Quiet said:

Seven is excellent, good that you kept a count

What, seven donkey-fengs in one neighborhood? I feel so jealous and want to move to such a posh area immediately!

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On 8/24/2019 at 11:31 PM, Hyaenidae said:

Let him be, mateys. He's obviously in love with his car, you wouldn't say bad things about your waifu in public even if she is a "Wadhaka Bhari", would you? :D

 

1 hour ago, LMS said:

a piece of metal shit. 

I stand corrected

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@ajm and @Hyaenidae  my deepest sympathy for both of you idiots 🤣

No facts,  no point , no argument,  just criticizing others, so you have proven that you have some personality issues. There are so many people like you in this country and that why we cannot stand our own. therefore I will not waste my to reply to you. I though there are professionals in this forum and that why i try to start some discussion and want to get ideas of others. People who know how to debate positively 🙄. Hats off for the people who post some facts and argument with reference.

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Chinese or any brand, there will be buyers for anything depending on situational , personal conditions etc.
And i agree, there are no brand new 7 seaters at this price range in SL. 
Also i assume people who bought the 580 is well aware of the Chinese vehicle depreciation and loss they would have to encounter when they try to sell it off.
And if its my money and i badly need a 7 seater, I would go on the Korean route for a Kia/ Hyundai (2012 model year) or even a Rexton.  Or if wanted the Toyota route, may be a Vanguard. Which im pretty sure i will be able to use it with peace of mind for some time and let go without being on the mercy of the buyers.
Thats my thoughts. 

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On 3/22/2019 at 10:41 AM, Rohnd said:

Dear ajm . Ok we are Donkeys , you are a God from තව්තිසා. U keep ur Benz . Bm .or Jaguar . We will keep our 580. But even a God who doesnt speak to the point is useless !

 

 

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Quit ok i will keep my count. Better you keep yours 1

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24 minutes ago, Roshan321 said:

@ajm and @Hyaenidae  my deepest sympathy for both of you idiots 🤣

No facts,  no point , no argument,  just criticizing others, so you have proven that you have some personality issues. 

Hey, I ain't the one who said the DFSK 580 is a piece of metal shit 🙄 infact, I dare you to quote a post where I "criticized" the DFSK or its owners.

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9 hours ago, Roshan321 said:

HI @Crosswind   , your point regards to some of other Chinese Vehicle export to Europe may be correct. But I dont think DFSK 580 will come to that category anymore. China didn't pay much attention for Vehicle market for past decade but now they have focus to that area. That means if we like or not they will come to top level of Vehicle industry in future, they have proved this capability for all areas. It seems DFSK 580 is new beginning when you compare its built quality. Even if its not mention the manufacturing country then difficult to identify this as Chinese Vehicle (Actually the one selling here made in Indonesia) . DFSK 580 will not come to Cheap Chinese vehicle category for sure. DFSK is called as Dongfeng Xiaokang in Chinese. Join Venture with Dongfeng. Even Honda , Nissan has joint venture with Dongfeng. see the below link

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dongfeng_Motor_Corporation

 Honda CRV also  made by Dongfeng Honda in China. So DFSK implemented multi million USD facility in Indonesia, fully automated largest CAR plant in Indonesia.

https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/dfsk-launched-multi-million-usd-facility-indonesia-just-sundjojo

https://www.just-auto.com/news/dfsk-building-mpv-plant_id161405.aspx

 

Your point is very interesting. In your opinion, DFSK 580 is the turning point in Chinese vehicle quality. And you still want us to believe that you are not guerilla marketing this vehicle. 

The problem with Chinese vehicles is that their automotive industry itself is a huge mess. They have over a hundred big and small vehicle manufacturers. The designs are almost always knock-offs of a vehicle from a European, Japanese or American vehicle. There is no continuity between models - for example one version of a certain model will come with an engine copied from Mitsubishi and another will come with an engine copied from Mazda! And you can even order a car from alibaba.com from a lesser-known manufacturer!  All this affects the buyer. 

For example, everyone knows that if we say its a 1500 CC Premio, then it will have a 1NZ-FE engine in it and the same will be there in contemporary Axio, Vios (1.5), Allion, Ist etc. This makes it easier to get third party spares, repair the vehicle in third party garages etc. On the other hand nobody knows what the f*ck will be inside the next version of DFSK 580.  The only thing the damn website says is (that too in Chinese), that DFSK 1.5ltr version has 1.5 turbo engine with 150hp. Take the Panda for example, one version had an engine licensed from Fiat and another version had an engine licensed from Toyota!

So for those who claim that Chinese vehicles have achieved good quality standards, I'm afraid its a shallow statement based on a false analogy of Japanese and Korean auto industry, without any understanding of the following facts:

  • China has hundreds of vehicle manufacturers who are churning out products, mostly aiming at low-end consumer (as they do with everything else). Having more than four or five players with two leaders is always disastrous to any industry, because it may eventually be a race to the bottom of the barrel
  • China does NOT have any indigenous designs at all. Almost all Chinese vehicles are knock-offs of each other. Front of a Toyota, rear of a Nissan, interior of a Peugeot etc.
  • China does everything right everytime the design, development and quality control is done elsewhere. They perform badly when they have to do those stuff themselves. For example, there will be a world of difference between Chinese made Nissans and Chinese made DFSKs. 
  • Product continuity is virtually non-existent. Today's DFSK 580 may have an engine copied from one manufacturer. Tomorrow it may be from some other manufacturer
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@Crosswind  you still not getting my point. and you are still in Japanese box and comparing others. don't you understand you are doing very unfair comparison with Japanese and Chinese vehicle. There is no argument that Japanese vehicle are better than Chinese, so even small kid can do that argument and all we are aware, no point of that argument (Japanese vehicle is not your fathers one and also Chinese is not my fathers 😄 If I have money I will buy Japanese one or else if I have more money then I will buy European one , similar to you I guess).

First you understand that we are talking about SUV , so don't talk about Cars. I hope readers looking at this topic who are interested about SUV + 7 seater vehicle (that's their requirement , may be they have large family, may be they want a vehicle with more ground clearance, etc) . then can you compare this price with new Japanese SUV?. its obvious that Japanese SUV more reliable than this but for which price? and the depreciation only apply for Chinese? one of my friend bought brand new BMW X1 and sold it less than one year time with lost nearly  2Mil . If you spend more money you will lost more when selling it. I don't know about Cars but Japanese SUV is same , another one of my office collogue lost a lot when he is selling his Lexus .

You need to compare this Vehicle built quality, Engine performance , and all latest features by considering its price. So option is buy second hand Japanese SUV, then we have to decide  , Which model with 7 seater , price,  manufacture year and the mileage. 

Then its up the buyer to decide 😊

It s your decision that I'm doing marketing for this vehicle , then no one can't talk here about new vehicle models. But appreciate you talk about facts im talking and not about me like some others.

You have lot of knowledge of Chinese Vehicle market and you have mentioned its under 4 topics. appreciate if you can share some links / reference for each of those points then we can read more about it. I only know is Chinese people are very good in copying as you said. So what's the matter . because of that we also get benefit. If you think about 30-40 years back , it is a dream of even middle class family kid to have a good toy. Toy Car or talking doll is a dream , its only have upper class kids , may be they have relations in Europe. now what's the situation. You will tell Chinese toys not durable than Europe one, correct so what's the matter  it is cheap for anyone can Offord for their kids. Do Europe making Toys anymore ? very few, even toys shops in USA, Uk like "Toys R us" has all Chinese toys. Same scenario for Vehicles mate. Everything will change , Chinese will make Vehicle with low cost and it will hit the Japanese and European vehicle market  and same thing will happen to those like Toys. May be it will take time. Everything will change . . How much we argue doesn't matter , Chinese will change the world (are you telling they will do everything but cannot do it for Vehicles ?) , they will have highest Economy in the world and even USA requesting loan from China government. 

 

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Since the safety ratings came up in an earlier post, May I add that DFSK isn't even mentioned in the euroncap listing? Even Bajaj is mentioned as a manufacturer in Euro-NCAP. So their so called 5 star rating should be from C-NCAP. Which is nowhere near the standard Euro-NCAP or ANCAP. Comparing the CRV 5 star rating to 580 5 star rating is apples to tomatoes.

DFSK is not a new brand to SL, their trucks have been here for at least 10-15 years. And being claimed the largest truck manufacturer in asia does not automatically make them magically birthing the perfect SUV. I believe TATA was the largest truck manufacturer in asia last few years, even FUSO and HINO must be ahead of DFSK in trucks department.

China becoming the tech monopoly is unavoidable and even beneficial for the asian economy, there's no doubt on that. But lying is not the way to promote their products. (Which the Chinese don't do anymore). But misleading people about the safety of a vehicle is a big NO-NO in my book. That says a lot about the company these marketing agents represent. 

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9 hours ago, alds said:

Since the safety ratings came up in an earlier post, May I add that DFSK isn't even mentioned in the euroncap listing? Even Bajaj is mentioned as a manufacturer in Euro-NCAP. So their so called 5 star rating should be from C-NCAP. Which is nowhere near the standard Euro-NCAP or ANCAP. Comparing the CRV 5 star rating to 580 5 star rating is apples to tomatoes.

 

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Wow, you're right, Dongfeng / DFSK / Fengguang is not listed on EURONCAP listings.

@Roshan321, care to explain?

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20 hours ago, LMS said:

Quit ok i will keep my count. Better you keep yours 1

ok I Quit :rolleyes:

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You are correct, DFSK has C-NCAP, It is primarily modeled after safety standards established by Euro NCAP[1] and is run by the China Automotive Technology and Research Center. This is what I found. if you measure everything by base on Euro ratings , we cannot consider anything from China I guess. May be there are some difference than Euro-NCAP and C-NACP but that what Chinese do. However they are building Bridge from one Island to other by using their technology. So that's the way they do. As far as I know even they are very talent to copy 😀, they have hired consultants from Europe for their manufacturing plants as well. I dont know exactly but since they have money they can hire anything they want. By considering the worth of this DFSK mother company Donfeng , I think they are easily past worth of our entire country 😊. Donfeng most of shares hold by Chinese government. But as I mentioned earlier, Im not saying any feature (Safety, durability, etc) DFSK 580 is better than Japanese SUV, if you can spend money for that (For the feature and part for the brand name) then no argument for it. We are talking about people who has 6Mil money and want 7 seater SUV with latest features. Everything has plus minus points, we need to consider and take decision, its wonderful to have a discussion like this and thanks for all who post comment with facts and their opinion. Still I didn't decide to buy this vehicle and I first did some research and put my initial post. people thought im from Agent or owner of this vehicle. I want to boost our knowledgeable people here and get more ideas out of you 😏. I think I successfully did that , I know most of in this forum believe Japanese vehicle and some how faith on it (I didnt seen much argue for European models) , so I can get all negative feedback for this vehicle and easy to find all plus minus points. Its normal we have Japanese vehicle fever and somehow its correct that they have built very good vehicles (But today its a doubt are  they made same quality now with law range vehicle like corolla , Yaris etc. Of course High ends are  still good) but some part I believe car sale owners are making fake market also. 

However I need SUV around 6Mil and Im planning to sell my current vehicle (I have Honda Civic 2009 model FD1 brand new) then need to decide what to buy. I have Two options,  one is this DFSK 580 (of course not MG ZS , 1000Cc Engine law power, not a 7 seater, cheap interior compare to DFSK 580) or go for used second hand Japanese or Korean model. 

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9 hours ago, Roshan321 said:

However they are building Bridge from one Island to other by using their technology.

again comparing building standards with Automotive standards, looks like a potential candidate for a dummy to be put on the first Donkey 580 to be crash tested according to Euro N-CAP🤑

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8 minutes ago, Roshan321 said:

 Its normal we have Japanese vehicle fever and somehow its correct that they have built very good vehicles (But today its a doubt are  they made same quality now with law range vehicle like corolla , Yaris etc. Of course High ends are  still good)

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Well both Corolla and Yaris (JDM Vitz) have been tested by euro NCAP and conforms to both J-NCAP and euro-NCAP safety ratings so there is that 😉

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Ha haaa @vag2 again without any facts 🤣, Typical Car sale owner 😀 who has lot of Japanese vehicle park inside without being able to sell I guess. I mentioned about the bridge to take a note that their technical capabilities, that kind of bridge even USA didn't built. so if they can do that do you think they cannot do for vehicle? you wait and see what Chinese do in next 10 years 

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@Hyaenidae im not talking safety, I feel now Toyota making law end cars with bit cheap quality . good example is Corolla. I dont think they have ever made good one like 121 after it , that's my understand. However Euro-NCAP doesn't have all Toyota models, example Premio also not there

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Just now, Roshan321 said:

@Hyaenidae im not talking safety, I feel now Toyota making law end cars with bit cheap quality . good example is Corolla. I dont think they have ever made good one like 121 after it , that's my understand. However Euro-NCAP doesn't have all Toyota models, example Premio also not there

Premio isn't being sold in Europe, that's why it's not there 😄

Well the later iterations of Corollas doesn't hold up against the abuse of our local Baiyas as well as the 121, that doesn't mean Toyota has lowered their quality standards, they're just using newer technology that saves fuel and has fewer emissions at the cost of the hardiness and the reliability of older technologies (Eg: CVT vs 4AT).

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17 minutes ago, Roshan321 said:

that kind of bridge even USA didn't built. so if they can do that do you think they cannot do for vehicle? y

who are "they"? the Chinese in general or the Engineering team of this big-ass bridge?

You are arguing that if the same bridge team designed a  Donkey it would be same quality?

Civil engineering is not such a high tech industry like Defense/Automotive/Electronics, which are heavily reliant on Processes as well as Innovation.

All the developed countries have the technology to build such bridges, but the reason you dont see such structures is they are not willing to waste money on show-off projects  like Chinese or Arabs.  So that is not an argument to buy a Chinese vehicle or Aircraft.

FYI:To release one car model takes about 1000 Engineers from R & D, Testing, Production, Quality control. 

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@Hyaenidae Im not agee with your point about Corolla, it has been recalled so many times and I can remember Toyota recall lot from Europe or USA because of acceleration issue , please see below there recall rate fro Corolla

http://www.toyotaproblems.com/models/corolla/recalls/ 

one issue is Air bag and se the coment for it

"An inflator explosion may result in sharp metal fragments striking the driver or other occupants resulting in serious injury or death."

Also Honda Vessel , what about the gear box issue?  so we cannot say Japanese vehicles are perfect , I can give you so many examples for failure of Japanese cars. But again its understandable its better than Chinese (as at today, we dont know what is in the future)

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