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Toyota aqua 2014/15 or Honda Fit GP5

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Thinking about to buying an aqua or fit manufactured in 2013/14/15.My budget is around 3.5 Mn.Need to know the fuel consumption,maintenance costs,ground clearance and which has the better cargo volume. Also need to aware about documents/cetificates that need to consider when buying a used car(Ex:-Auction report,JAAI)

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1 hour ago, Sampath44 said:

May I know the reason for not recommending a hybrid for less than 1000kms per month?

Also does a Vitz is very similar to a non-hybrid aqua? comfort, interior, build quality etc.

I am just asking because I am also thinking whether to buy a used aqua or Vits currently :)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Less than 1000kms means you won't be burning a lot of fuel even in a vitz  hence the hybrids fuel savingness won't outweigh maintenance costs etc. 

Build quality of Vitz is below aqua easily and waaaay below gp5.  The aqua is also comfier. Same applies to all the features that you get. The vitz is as basic as they come. 

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3 hours ago, Sampath44 said:

May I know the reason for not recommending a hybrid for less than 1000kms per month?

Also does a Vitz is very similar to a non-hybrid aqua? comfort, interior, build quality etc.

I am just asking because I am also thinking whether to buy a used aqua or Vits currently :)

 

Agree with what matroska said. As I know, the hybrid battery of the Aqua will last around 5 years. The lesser you use, faster the battery deteriorate. A hybrid battery requires to be charged and used everyday, otherwise the cells get damaged.

The main reason to go for a hybrid is the economical benifits. I did a basic calculation explaining how many kms are required to cover the battery cost of a hybrid. Basically you need to save Rs.300,000 to regain what you paid for the battery (assumimg that you replaced a “brand new” battery just after buying the car and I’m being really optimistic that you can get a brandnew battery for 300,000😁) So you need to save atleast Rs.5000 per month. Now lets assume that Aqua has 18kmpl average monthly economy and Vitz has 14kmpl average. When we calculate the cost per 1km: Aqua-7.167 Vitz-9.9. So let’s round up as Aqua Rs.7 and Vitz Rs.10 per km. By using an Aqua, you’ll be able to save Rs. 3000 per month and Rs.180,000 for 5 years. But to be on the safe side you must do atleast 2000kms to cover up the battery cost. Then the hybrid depreciation is likely to scrap away about 500,000-600,000 after 5 years. Think how much you will loose.

Anyway those figures are not accurate, but a bit closer. It explains that going for a hybrid for economical benifits is not benificial at all. I mean only for economical benifits😁

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Overall The aqua is more fuel efficient by a good margin. It also has a very reliable Powertrain. It however has below average ground clearance. It’s not bad to drive but the Fit is in a different league. 

 

The Fit has more value for what you pay, the interior looks better, materials feel better , seats are more supportive , has better ground clearance ,depending on the model you do get things like cruise control. It is a lot faster and more engaging to drive , it is however less fuel efficient and in the SL climate the DCT gearbox clutch can give trouble (discussed over the forum) 

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1 hour ago, naavislade said:

Need to know the fuel consumption,maintenance costs,ground clearance and which has the better cargo volume.

Fuel Consumption : Aqua (less fuel consumed) .

Maintenance Costs : No big difference 

Ground Clearance : Fit 

Better Cargo Volume : Fit.

Known Issues : Aqua -> Batteries going kaput. Fit-> Surprisingly I have not yet heard GP5 batteries going Kaput as commonly as Aqua but the DCT issue is of course there. 

 

 

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9 hours ago, TheFlyingFox said:

Overall The aqua is more fuel efficient by a good margin. It also has a very reliable Powertrain. It however has below average ground clearance. It’s not bad to drive but the Fit is in a different league. 

 

The Fit has more value for what you pay, the interior looks better, materials feel better , seats are more supportive , has better ground clearance ,depending on the model you do get things like cruise control. It is a lot faster and more engaging to drive , it is however less fuel efficient and in the SL climate the DCT gearbox clutch can give trouble (discussed over the forum) 

Thank you brother...,

What things should i consider when buying a fitGP5..DCT issue is the only thing bother me to go for FIT😏

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8 hours ago, matroska said:

Fuel Consumption : Aqua (less fuel consumed) .

Maintenance Costs : No big difference 

Ground Clearance : Fit 

Better Cargo Volume : Fit.

Known Issues : Aqua -> Batteries going kaput. Fit-> Surprisingly I have not yet heard GP5 batteries going Kaput as commonly as Aqua but the DCT issue is of course there. 

 

 

Thank you bro..

 

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A close friend of mine had to replace his personally imported Aqua’s battery at 73000km(this story have been mentioned for over 6-7 times😁).Costed 300,000 for a reconditioned one.

For the DCT clutch replacement, it cost about 200,000 according to a friend who did the replacement to his Vezel. If you can do some research and contact few places you can get it done for less than 200,000. Just like Matroska said I’m yet to hear about the Vezel,Grace or Fit battery went kaput. Among the two, I would go with the GP5 without thinking twice due to sporty drive, space, looks and material quality.

But If you are doing less than atleast 1000kms per month, there is no point of going for a hybrid. Or else buy an Unreg Vitz and drive it happily for 2-3 years (5+ years can be done without an issue) and get a better one after.

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On 3/6/2019 at 12:21 AM, alpha17 said:

A close friend of mine had to replace his personally imported Aqua’s battery at 73000km(this story have been mentioned for over 6-7 times😁).Costed 300,000 for a reconditioned one.

For the DCT clutch replacement, it cost about 200,000 according to a friend who did the replacement to his Vezel. If you can do some research and contact few places you can get it done for less than 200,000. Just like Matroska said I’m yet to hear about the Vezel,Grace or Fit battery went kaput. Among the two, I would go with the GP5 without thinking twice due to sporty drive, space, looks and material quality.

But If you are doing less than atleast 1000kms per month, there is no point of going for a hybrid. Or else buy an Unreg Vitz and drive it happily for 2-3 years (5+ years can be done without an issue) and get a better one after.

Thank you bro ...very helpful💪

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On 3/6/2019 at 12:21 AM, alpha17 said:

But If you are doing less than atleast 1000kms per month, there is no point of going for a hybrid. Or else buy an Unreg Vitz and drive it happily for 2-3 years (5+ years can be done without an issue) and get a better one after.

May I know the reason for not recommending a hybrid for less than 1000kms per month?

Also does a Vitz is very similar to a non-hybrid aqua? comfort, interior, build quality etc.

I am just asking because I am also thinking whether to buy a used aqua or Vits currently :)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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10 hours ago, alpha17 said:

Agree with what matroska said. As I know, the hybrid battery of the Aqua will last around 5 years. The lesser you use, faster the battery deteriorate. A hybrid battery requires to be charged and used everyday, otherwise the cells get damaged.

The main reason to go for a hybrid is the economical benifits. I did a basic calculation explaining how many kms are required to cover the battery cost of a hybrid. Basically you need to save Rs.300,000 to regain what you paid for the battery (assumimg that you replaced a “brand new” battery just after buying the car and I’m being really optimistic that you can get a brandnew battery for 300,000😁) So you need to save atleast Rs.5000 per month. Now lets assume that Aqua has 18kmpl average monthly economy and Vitz has 14kmpl average. When we calculate the cost per 1km: Aqua-7.167 Vitz-9.9. So let’s round up as Aqua Rs.7 and Vitz Rs.10 per km. By using an Aqua, you’ll be able to save Rs. 3000 per month and Rs.180,000 for 5 years. But to be on the safe side you must do atleast 2000kms to cover up the battery cost. Then the hybrid depreciation is likely to scrap away about 500,000-600,000 after 5 years. Think how much you will loose.

Anyway those figures are not accurate, but a bit closer. It explains that going for a hybrid for economical benifits is not benificial at all. I mean only for economical benifits😁

Even if i do 2000 km per month..how will be the maintenance costs(service)

Generally after a every 5000km needs basic service..how much does it costs in hybrids??like aqua/GP5

Done some background study but have no experience in any hybrid car😅

On the other hand..i have heard no battry issues of fits..but there are some services need to be done such as.DCT oil,clutch oil after a standard millage..

Another thing i would like to know is..

Is there any differnce in GP5 S grade engine with other GP5.. GP5 S comes with sport mood and paddle shift. When sport mood on with paddle shifts it becomes fully petrol functioned vehicle.So is it possible in outstations and highways perform better in fuel consumption?

One last Q

Is it better to buy GP5 after YOM 2014.How do I make sure the one im going to buy will not affect with DCT replacement

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2 hours ago, naavislade said:

Even if i do 2000 km per month..how will be the maintenance costs(service)

Generally after a every 5000km needs basic service..how much does it costs in hybrids??like aqua/GP5

Done some background study but have no experience in any hybrid car😅

On the other hand..i have heard no battry issues of fits..but there are some services need to be done such as.DCT oil,clutch oil after a standard millage..

Another thing i would like to know is..

Is there any differnce in GP5 S grade engine with other GP5.. GP5 S comes with sport mood and paddle shift. When sport mood on with paddle shifts it becomes fully petrol functioned vehicle.So is it possible in outstations and highways perform better in fuel consumption?

One last Q

Is it better to buy GP5 after YOM 2014.How do I make sure the one im going to buy will not affect with DCT replacement

Aqua will be less costly to maintain. I cannot exactly comment about the battery,  but keep in mind that Aqua batteries have a lifespan around 5 years. Some owners claim that they have done well over 100,000kms without an issue.

When you use the Gp5, the dual clutch oil needs to be changed for every 5000km or atleast 10,000 kms. It costs around rs.3000-4000(correct me if I’m wrong). Make sure to put it into S gear while in traffic and try your best to avoid traffic conditons. Also be gentle with the accelerator. The gp5 has a much more complex but clever gearbox system. There is a video on youtube. Search it as “Honda earth dreams hybrid”. The video demonstrates how the system works. The system has more wear and tear when compared with a normal autobox or a CVT. But the system is really a joy to drive. I have to say that gp1 is one of my favourite cars to drive. As I know the insuarance costs are a bit higher. I’m also yet to hear about a battery issue on the newer honda hybrids. But sooner or later it will arrive. By the being of time, those clutch replacements and battery replacements will likely to reduce costs since there are a huge number of cars in SL. I know a person who owns both a Grace and a GP5(which was purchased few weeks ago). He’s pretty satisfied with them. He does closer to 30,000kms per year, so hybrid is benificial for him. He imports zero mileage cars and use them for about 5years and then sell them without battery replacements. His Grace might be now closer to 80,000km.

You cannot be asured that your DCT won’t give a trouble.Best thing is to set aside around rs.200,000 when buying a car for the running repairs. Don’t be hesitated to go for a GP5. Even those Allion/Premios have high cost replacements too.

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31 minutes ago, alpha17 said:

Aqua will be less costly to maintain. I cannot exactly comment about the battery,  but keep in mind that Aqua batteries have a lifespan around 5 years. Some owners claim that they have done well over 100,000kms without an issue.

When you use the Gp5, the dual clutch oil needs to be changed for every 5000km or atleast 10,000 kms. It costs around rs.3000-4000(correct me if I’m wrong). Make sure to put it into S gear while in traffic and try your best to avoid traffic conditons. Also be gentle with the accelerator. The gp5 has a much more complex but clever gearbox system. There is a video on youtube. Search it as “Honda earth dreams hybrid”. The video demonstrates how the system works. The system has more wear and tear when compared with a normal autobox or a CVT. But the system is really a joy to drive. I have to say that gp1 is one of my favourite cars to drive. As I know the insuarance costs are a bit higher. I’m also yet to hear about a battery issue on the newer honda hybrids. But sooner or later it will arrive. By the being of time, those clutch replacements and battery replacements will likely to reduce costs since there are a huge number of cars in SL. I know a person who owns both a Grace and a GP5(which was purchased few weeks ago). He’s pretty satisfied with them. He does closer to 30,000kms per year, so hybrid is benificial for him. He imports zero mileage cars and use them for about 5years and then sell them without battery replacements. His Grace might be now closer to 80,000km.

You cannot be asured that your DCT won’t give a trouble.Best thing is to set aside around rs.200,000 when buying a car for the running repairs. Don’t be hesitated to go for a GP5. Even those Allion/Premios have high cost replacements too.

Highly appreciated brother❤...

If I dont do 1000kms+ for a month..is it wise to go for axio non hybrid like..161 2012/13

 

 

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4 hours ago, naavislade said:

Highly appreciated brother❤...

If I dont do 1000kms+ for month..is it wise to go for axio non hybrid like..161 2012/13

 

 

Axio non-hybrid is really good. It comfy with a proven reliable powertrain. For me it’s miles ahead than the hybrid variant. Also consider the 141 2011-2012 model. Most of them are imported for permits and maintained from Toyota lanka due to warranties. It has a further more reliable and simple powertrain than the 161 variant. The car is a bit bigger and really looks better than the 161(for me). Since it’s specifically manufactured for Sri Lankan conditions and therefore the suspension components are likely to last more than the jdm versions.

Also you can go for an 2010-2012 Allion within that price range, but remember that most of them have been abused. Still you’ll be able to find a good one with records. Those are not meant to be nimble as the gp5 ,but are much more comfortable and spacious.

Also there is the new Suzuki Swift RS, but the price may have gotten really high due to the budget.

I’m a Toyota fan, but I’m unbiased when suggesting cars to the others. A poorly maintained Allion/Premio can cause you more problems than a GP5, so whatever you buy, make sure it’s properly maintained and well taken care of. Make sure that the car has not met with a major accident. But repainted buffers, fenders are nothing to worry about(caused by small accidents such as scratches and dents). I also went for hunting few months ago and if you need any information feel free to PM

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16 hours ago, alpha17 said:

Axio non-hybrid is really good. It comfy with a proven reliable powertrain. For me it’s miles ahead than the hybrid variant. Also consider the 141 2011-2012 model. Most of them are imported for permits and maintained from Toyota lanka due to warranties. It has a further more reliable and simple powertrain than the 161 variant. The car is a bit bigger and really looks better than the 161(for me). Since it’s specifically manufactured for Sri Lankan conditions and therefore the suspension components are likely to last more than the jdm versions.

Also you can go for an 2010-2012 Allion within that price range, but remember that most of them have been abused. Still you’ll be able to find a good one with records. Those are not meant to be nimble as the gp5 ,but are much more comfortable and spacious.

Also there is the new Suzuki Swift RS, but the price may have gotten really high due to the budget.

I’m a Toyota fan, but I’m unbiased when suggesting cars to the others. A poorly maintained Allion/Premio can cause you more problems than a GP5, so whatever you buy, make sure it’s properly maintained and well taken care of. Make sure that the car has not met with a major accident. But repainted buffers, fenders are nothing to worry about(caused by small accidents such as scratches and dents). I also went for hunting few months ago and if you need any information feel free to PM

Really really helpful....❤

I ll PM you if i had further more questions brother..

Keep going💪

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22 hours ago, naavislade said:

Is there any differnce in GP5 S grade engine with other GP5.. GP5 S comes with sport mood and paddle shift.

I think there is no difference in the engine. Purely differences in accessories such as paddle shift etc. and cosmetic changes. 

For instance the L Grade comes with cruise control, some safety features, a more plusher steering wheel (and led lights?-not sure tho) 

The S has all that and fog lights, better seats, larger spoiler if im not mistaken, a more stylized rear bumper, paddle shift and fancy break and acceleration paddles. 

The F grade is the base grade. 

 

22 hours ago, naavislade said:

How do I make sure the one im going to buy will not affect with DCT replacement

unlike the Gp1 oil burning issue which is in fact a manufacturing defect which affects only  range of particular vehicles, the DCT issue is not a defect - it's just that it wasn't designed to operate in Sri Lanka's harsh driving conditions. See there might be a GP5 in some outstation where the driver only drives on a long open road and never in traffic that might have no DCT issues so it's more like a lottery (having said that buying a used car is anyway a bit of a lottery 🙂 )

19 hours ago, naavislade said:

is it wise to go for axio non hybrid like..161

most of the 161's were bought on permit and are still with their first users and usually well maintained - it's not a 'fast moving' car so less chance of it being traded among 47 owners on open books . A good friends father had such a 161 very well maintained and at 100,000 Km's car was in pristine condition - sold it last year since his new permit came. Decent car for that budget. 

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