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Buying a Luxary barge. Jag x type, Nissan cefiro, skyline

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Im planning to buy a luxry barge.

Not much concern about the fuel economy but it should be reliable.

It would mainly run long distance but ocasionaly. 

My budget is 2 - 3.5 million may pass the mark for a really good example

The Jag x type is in the top of my list. Those having experience on the big cats please share some info on the maintainence cost and indipendent specialists etc..

The cefiro is the safe bet a 2006ish facelift is on my mind in this case. Any info on it. The pros and cons.

While on nissan the skyline. Well really love to own one because of the name. Considering a 2002 ish g35. Its more related to the cefiro than the r34(which is too old for me) but still is a skyline by name.

Peugeots are also on the list havent got much of an idea but what aboutthe 607. Also as a sensible chice the 407 diesel. And those in the know please share some info on the indipendent specialists and maintainence.

Another totally bonkers choicewould be an old 1999 ish s class. It would be a money pit but to what extent. 

Anyone having openioms on Toyota camrys Verossa and Markx

Other recomendations are also highly valued

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Reliability and Jaguar do not go well together. Especially Jaguar cars made during era you are interested in.

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The X is not a big cat. Rear leg room is cramped compared to a 3 series or c class in that Era. They look brilliantly gorgeous though, inside and out. Specially the one with British racing green and baige leather with wood trim. Once Upon a time I really wanted to get one of these. Their Ford engines were reliable though. Pre 2004 models had some electrical issues and water used to get in some places where there were electronics. After 2004 they were much better built and equipped. 

 

607, make sure you find one with the 3l engine and 5 forward autobox. Other models with the AL4 gearbox is prone to reliability issues. Tyre pressure sensors go wrong all the time. I think it's by far the most comfortable out of your lot. 407 nose is too long, make sure you find one with raised front suspension ( this was done to most of them). 

 

Overall reliability of either of these cars can be tricky. Save "maybe" for the big Nissans. 

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For me 607 is ugly.Jag is the best in looks, but lacks rear legroom by a huge amount.I think when considering the reliability and comfort, cefiro is the best bet.

Also Verossa’s have stiffer suspension settings as I’ve heard. Camry would be the best bet when it comes to relaibility and fuel economy.But looks like an upsized 141. Anyway Camry would also provide good levels of comfort than Allions and Premios,while giving you a fuel economy better than the 3 you’ve mentioned.

 

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You might be able to negotiate a Mark X down to 3.5 million, if not, how about Mark II(110 series)?

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Camry is a family hauler....got decent amount of power but it is not the most exciting of things to drive (especially the newer ones..the latest model and the older model are much better though). If you want a nice ride then that leaves the Verossa and the Mark X. Some people say they have stiffer suspension but usually those are the ones who are used to (and expect) pudgy suspension like in the Allion/Premio.

I personally prefer the Mark X in terms of looks, "drivability" (more power) and creature comforts. The Mark X is a lot more powerful than the Verossa (most common Verossa in SL is the 2L 1G-FE powered one with about 160hp. The Mark X comes with the 4RF-FSE with 215hp). Prices for Mark Xs range from mid 3mil to upper 4mil depending on the condition and the specs (unfortunately for your budget you would be looking at slight less lovingly used ones and more lovingly used ones). Also, the rarity factor kind of adds to the value as it is mainly enthusiasts who are hunting for it.

Easiest to maintain would be the Camry....with slightly easily accessible body and mechanical parts.

Have you looked at something like a Crown ? There are a few ones around with some interesting power plants...Also there were a few Aristo (again with some yummy power plants) up for sale..maybe some of those are still available ?

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Haven't used or owned one, but what about Honda Accord like 2010-2012 ? Falls to the same category of Luxo barges isn't it. May be some one who has experience with them can shed some light.

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Thanks everyone for the replys

Yes the x is not big but i teally love its looks. If its ok in the maintainence department and i find a good indipendent mech thats the one id go for. What to look out for in these. (I've always wanted to own a jag).

I dont mind the long front end of the 407 and its the only diesel option here i love the diesel Torque.

A crown of this millennium is probably out of my budget. You mean the green aristo right. Its kind of old and the gs would be way out of this budget.

Mark x is also a good option if there is a mint one.

Not looking for a sporty car tough. A good v6 with not that firm suspension is good.

 

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Bit of a left-of-the field choice. Have you considered an old Mazda 6 or a Mondeo? Despite the popular belief, Mondeo is not an unreliable car. It does not have zillions of sensors that fail regularly. The engine is common with Mazda 6 and bits and pieces of Japanese parts do fit in.

Suspension parts are available in Panchi or can be even repaired at lathe shops. Other bits and pieces are available at a pittance from eBay.

407 isn't a great choice if you ask me. Most importantly, stay away from the 607. Driving a 607 is as tough as driving an old Leyland lorry, its turning radius is too high and to turn in some roads, you have to manipulate it the same way you do with a bus. It has computer-controlled brakes (not ABS), which no one in SL knows how to fix and it has way too many sensors that can go bad anytime. Only advantage is its damn comfortable. The most comfortable car I have been (more comfier than the S-type or even the E65).

The reliability vote would probably go to the Verossa. 

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by the way why not any German luxury brands in your list?

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On ‎11‎/‎13‎/‎2018 at 10:58 AM, Clark'sson said:

Im planning to buy a luxry barge.

Not much concern about the fuel economy but it should be reliable.

It would mainly run long distance but ocasionaly. 

My budget is 2 - 3.5 million may pass the mark for a really good example

The Jag x type is in the top of my list. Those having experience on the big cats please share some info on the maintainence cost and indipendent specialists etc..

The cefiro is the safe bet a 2006ish facelift is on my mind in this case. Any info on it. The pros and cons.

While on nissan the skyline. Well really love to own one because of the name. Considering a 2002 ish g35. Its more related to the cefiro than the r34(which is too old for me) but still is a skyline by name.

Peugeots are also on the list havent got much of an idea but what aboutthe 607. Also as a sensible chice the 407 diesel. And those in the know please share some info on the indipendent specialists and maintainence.

Another totally bonkers choicewould be an old 1999 ish s class. It would be a money pit but to what extent. 

Anyone having openioms on Toyota camrys Verossa and Markx

Other recomendations are also highly valued

No experience with the X type but have owned a V35 Skyline and driven the Cefiro several times. Also owned Mark X GRX 120 (2005 model)

Since your budget is 3.5 - I am unsure if Mark X can be had for that price but Cefiro and Skyline should be possible. Highly recommend the V35 over the Cefiro. Have written about it in these forums. But very unlikely you can find one that hasn't been abused given the age.

 

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