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Fatal Accident On Katunayake Expressway


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thanks for the information that there are real TypeRs in SL..but Mr.Know-it-all-Dadoon has failed to answer my question about the price.

I think a german workhorse would have survived this accident outside the expressway without failing at the welds and disintegrating.So if you are a real moderator,let us agree to disagree instead of following the path of SNLM.

You really don't know what you are talking about. Does anybody remember the BMW 5 series crash in Kurunegala about a year ago. Almost identicle crash to this one in many aspects. Car just when over the metal fence in a bend fall in to a roof of the house below about 10 ft. Air bag deployed. But driver died instantly to prove again that is not the car but the driver.

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Just out of curiosity, wonder what they do to all those crashed cars?

Q: What happens to the vehicles after you test them?

A: Vehicles subjected to high-speed crash tests at the Institute's Vehicle Research Center are essentially unrepairable. These cars are issued nonrepairable certificates and sold under contract to vehicle salvage operations for recycling. For a list of VINs of nonrepairable vehicles tested by the Institute, go here.

Source - http://www.iihs.org/iihs/faq

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thanks for the information that there are real TypeRs in SL..but Mr.Know-it-all-Dadoon has failed to answer my question about the price.

I think a german workhorse would have survived this accident outside the expressway without failing at the welds and disintegrating.So if you are a real moderator,let us agree to disagree instead of following the path of SNLM.

BM is for BMW,this car is an MB,Mercedes .

yeah Seriously. and it has become obvious a while ago that you have no faith except in masturbating.

That's because specialist cars go for whatever people offer on them. They are too rare to have a set market price. I've seen the 1.6 EK7 go for 2.5 million, but they rarely come up for sale and usually disappear into the hands of other enthusiasts.

As I said before, if you don't know something, ask, don't make ill informed statements, and don't act like an expert on things you have no understanding of.

And my friend, a friendly warning. Don't call me names. That sort of stuff will just get you banned.

As a moderator it is my job to make sure that the content in the forum is relevant and is kept as clean as possible. So if you continue to polute the forum, I would be forced to moderate. If you don't like it, there are plenty more forums out there. Its as simple as that.

Also from now on I follow the Sachithra Senanyaka method, 2 warnings and you are out :) Good enough for the Sri Lankan cricket team, good enough for me, so be warned :)

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Civic is not a sports car, I doubt if there are any proper Type Rs in SL yet.

having shortly driven a 2015 Type-R prototype which has over 300ps,.

Having shortly had a threesome with carmen electra and eva mendes, i agree.

Delusion level=9,000

You need medical help, man. Theres therapy for what you have!

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BM is for BMW,this car is an MB,Mercedes .

My mistake. I meant MB. My point remains the same though. You are trying to compare safety features of two models of cars which belong to two different generations. BM or MB, that is some flawed reasoning.

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Q: What happens to the vehicles after you test them?

A: Vehicles subjected to high-speed crash tests at the Institute's Vehicle Research Center are essentially unrepairable. These cars are issued nonrepairable certificates and sold under contract to vehicle salvage operations for recycling. For a list of VINs of nonrepairable vehicles tested by the Institute, go here.

Source - http://www.iihs.org/iihs/faq

just for the info....Did they undergo same crash tests for the expensive sports cars such as Ferraris or Lambos....?

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just for the info....Did they undergo same crash tests for the expensive sports cars such as Ferraris or Lambos....?

Yes they do. Google and you will find tons of crash test videos like this Murcielago for instance.

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just for the info....Did they undergo same crash tests for the expensive sports cars such as Ferraris or Lambos....?

Just a small note on crash safety. It all depends on what requirement that particular market/country has. As you might know unlike Ferraris and Lambos, mass produced cars have different versions for different markets. Depending on that market the crash worthiness will vary. For example there will be a big difference is the Indian market Honda Accord vs the UK market Accord. You will notice that even cars that look the same often weigh different in different markets.

I assume (and pls correct me if I'm wrong) Sri Lanka does not have such requirements at all. Therefore manufactures will sell the lowest protected version possible to maximize profits.

The EU and the US are the most strict markets. Cars originating from anywhere designed for those markets are likely to be the safest. However all cars will not have equal ratings even if the variance is coming down all the time.

The rules keep getting stringent all the time and manufacturers have to spend more on R&D to make cars safer without adding too much weight as weight affects efficiency.

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Just a small note on crash safety. It all depends on what requirement that particular market/country has. As you might know unlike Ferraris and Lambos, mass produced cars have different versions for different markets. Depending on that market the crash worthiness will vary. For example there will be a big difference is the Indian market Honda Accord vs the UK market Accord. You will notice that even cars that look the same often weigh different in different markets.

I assume (and pls correct me if I'm wrong) Sri Lanka does not have such requirements at all. Therefore manufactures will sell the lowest protected version possible to maximize profits.

The EU and the US are the most strict markets. Cars originating from anywhere designed for those markets are likely to be the safest. However all cars will not have equal ratings even if the variance is coming down all the time.

The rules keep getting stringent all the time and manufacturers have to spend more on R&D to make cars safer without adding too much weight as weight affects efficiency.

You are correct GTam, but a few things to point out.

1. The car in question was a JDM, so not intended for South Asia so would have met Japanese market standards.

2. The extra safety features added are usually add ons over the basic safety features present in the base model. For example in Europe Airbags became standard before they became standard in Japan, so the same cars sold over here has airbags while the JDMs do not. But the fundamental body shell, crumple zones and design are the same (though the quality of raw material may play a part here).

3. Here the debate was about the structural integrity of the passenger cabin. That should be the same for all markets. I think its difficult to judge from the image because the emergency services would have cut and pulled it apart to rescue the victims

I think what needs to be pointed out is there is a limitation to the safety features you can include in a car, as you need to balance it with practical considerations. Yesterday in London in a collision with a bus an Audi completely disintigrated killing the driver and injuring 20 odd people. Even if the passenger compartment stays intact, the rapid decellarion would put a lot of force in the interior organsn causing internal injuries and bleeding. This is what causes most fatalities.

So there is no point having these debates on whether somebody would have survived if they were in a different car. Those are what ifs that are irrelevant. Drive safely, and at a reasonable speed appropriate to the weather, and if your budget allows, stay away from cars based on models from the 1990s (like the Maruti 800) where safety features are minimal.

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But the fundamental body shell, crumple zones and design are the same (though the quality of raw material may play a part here).

3. Here the debate was about the structural integrity of the passenger cabin. That should be the same for all markets. I think its difficult to judge from the image because the emergency services would have cut and pulled it apart to rescue the victims

I think what needs to be pointed out is there is a limitation to the safety features you can include in a car, as you need to balance it with practical considerations. Yesterday in London in a collision with a bus an Audi completely disintigrated killing the driver and injuring 20 odd people. Even if the passenger compartment stays intact, the rapid decellarion would put a lot of force in the interior organsn causing internal injuries and bleeding. This is what causes most fatalities.

So there is no point having these debates on whether somebody would have survived if they were in a different car. Those are what ifs that are irrelevant. Drive safely, and at a reasonable speed appropriate to the weather, and if your budget allows, stay away from cars based on models from the 1990s (like the Maruti 800) where safety features are minimal.

That is simply not true Don. Compare the European Golf to the Brazilian one. Compare the Italian Grande Punto to the Indian GP. They are completely different cars. They will share common parts but the cars are fundamentally different. And the structure of the passenger cabin would be different because the car in the developing country that has less stringent (or no) crash protection requirement usually is a generation (or two) older and is bound to be less safe. Every manufacturer endeavors to make the new model's body is stiffer than the previous. So it is very likely that a newer car is stiffer than the older. I don't have figures but at every new model launch the manufacturer says how much stiffer the new body shell is compared with the older one. How manufacturers "milk out" profits is by using an out dated/expired platform from a strict developed market in a less developed one. By this time that platform would have paid for itself (in the developed market) and would be FOC to the manufacturer. All companies are driven foremost by profit and do and will seize every opportunity.

Agreed that there are limitations to safety features. Severity of the accident is also dependent on what you crash into and angle of impact etc.... It is likely no computer will be able to simulate all possible accidents since they are simulated using limited data.

"Drive safely, and at a reasonable speed appropriate to the weather," is a given for accident minimization. I thought we were all alarmed at how badly mangled the car here is.

What happens when one is driving safely at a reasonable speed and a drunk idiot comes onto you head-on? I'm sure like me you must have heard of many such accidents.

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That is simply not true Don. Compare the European Golf to the Brazilian one. Compare the Italian Grande Punto to the Indian GP. They are completely different cars. They will share common parts but the cars are fundamentally different. And the structure of the passenger cabin would be different because the car in the developing country that has less stringent (or no) crash protection requirement usually is a generation (or two) older and is bound to be less safe. Every manufacturer endeavors to make the new model's body is stiffer than the previous. So it is very likely that a newer car is stiffer than the older. I don't have figures but at every new model launch the manufacturer says how much stiffer the new body shell is compared with the older one. How manufacturers "milk out" profits is by using an out dated/expired platform from a strict developed market in a less developed one. By this time that platform would have paid for itself (in the developed market) and would be FOC to the manufacturer. All companies are driven foremost by profit and do and will seize every opportunity.

Agreed that there are limitations to safety features. Severity of the accident is also dependent on what you crash into and angle of impact etc.... It is likely no computer will be able to simulate all possible accidents since they are simulated using limited data.

"Drive safely, and at a reasonable speed appropriate to the weather," is a given for accident minimization. I thought we were all alarmed at how badly mangled the car here is.

What happens when one is driving safely at a reasonable speed and a drunk idiot comes onto you head-on? I'm sure like me you must have heard of many such accidents.

Well if an idiot runs into you, there is nothing you can do apart from brace for impact and hope for the best.

I would still disagree with you on the same car manufactured in different areas being different as far as the shell is concerned. Yes trim levels, equipment levels, and add on safety features (which sometimes include safety features like side impact beams, extra tortion bars to ensure body stiffness) but the fundamental body shells of the same model (exact same model, not ones made for a particular region, like the VW Santana in China for example) are the same. I mean, panels are interchangeable between the Indian and Japanese Swifts, Even between the old Mirage and the Proton Wira.

There is a lot of R&D involved in designing a car, and one of the biggest expenses in making a car is the creation of the metal presses to create the panels necessary to make the car. Thats why Perouda, Maruti (at least in the past) and other manufacturers (even ones in China) simply buy these presses off the manufacturers and make cars based on older models.

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Here's my 2 cents on the story. It happened on peliyagoda-wattala detour that goes over the highway and provides access to it, not the actually highway or on Kandy Colombo main road. I went past the accident location yesterday and there's only some light damage to the fencing on the flyover (which goes over the railway tracks). Not sure what it hit to get torn in half like that. but its probably the detached rear end that hit the fencing.

Also I doubt the car has been tampered with cos the outer side panels on 4 door ek's anyway come in 2 pieces as shown in this link.

http://estore.honda.com/honda/images/parts/catalogs/EA/13S8401/Estore/illustrations1/S843B4920.png

So at the moment of collision the frame failed at its weakest points i.e. the welds. which are the exact same points on the diagram and the crashed car.

It was raining that night so the roads were wet and its pretty easy to get some good speed on any car approaching the accident site from either direction. So the setting was just right for it.

I should again mention this wasn't actually on the highway, just the byroad leading up to it. So nobody's there to enforce seatbelts entering this section.

You're 100% correct JB. I use this road pretty often to go from Wattala to Kelaniya. I have no words to describe these type of stupid drivers who speed at nearly 60-70 KMPH in this narrow road (as I heard this guy was doing nearly 180)

Be careful AL members, you don't have to make a mistake, but a stupid person who was able to get hold of some money recently to purchase a car/any vehicle for that matter can knock you & make your life a miserable one. Better the import tax to be increased to reduce all these new D*MO batta's, 3 wheel's & other stupid people gaining access to the roads.

Any way RIP to the girl!

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Well if an idiot runs into you, there is nothing you can do apart from brace for impact and hope for the best.

I would still disagree with you on the same car manufactured in different areas being different as far as the shell is concerned. Yes trim levels, equipment levels, and add on safety features (which sometimes include safety features like side impact beams, extra tortion bars to ensure body stiffness) but the fundamental body shells of the same model (exact same model, not ones made for a particular region, like the VW Santana in China for example) are the same. I mean, panels are interchangeable between the Indian and Japanese Swifts, Even between the old Mirage and the Proton Wira.

There is a lot of R&D involved in designing a car, and one of the biggest expenses in making a car is the creation of the metal presses to create the panels necessary to make the car. Thats why Perouda, Maruti (at least in the past) and other manufacturers (even ones in China) simply buy these presses off the manufacturers and make cars based on older models.

Well one could at least hope for the better if one knows they are in a very safe car I believe. :)

Have a look at these; how the "same" car or in the case of the Gol and Golf, the similar class car varies in different markets. It's not just the body panels, it's the architectures themselves.

"In the rest of South America, the Brazilian-built Grande Punto (called only Punto) was launched in August 2007. Codenamed Project 310, it is produced in the factory of Betim, Minas Gerais, Brazil.[8]The chassis is an adaptation of the Fiat Palio, a lower cost compact. Levels of safety were not maintained (airbags and ABS are optional on lower trim levels, and the highest one has only two airbags as standard)"

source - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiat_Grande_Punto#Non-European_markets

This is what the European GP comes from - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GM_Fiat_Small_platform

"The Gol was released in 1980 to replace the Brasilia, which was in turn a replacement to the Beetle in the Brazilian market. It was based on its own unique BX platform derived from the existing VW/Audi B1 and B2 platforms. With a design specific to Latin America,

The third generation of the Gol was released in Brazil, on June 29, 2008, as a 2009 model. Referred to before its launch as the Gol NF for Nachfolger or Neue Familie (German terms for "successor" and "new family" respectively), this model is marketed as the "Novo Gol". No longer based on the BX platform, it shares Volkswagen's PQ24 platform with the Fox and Polo, with some components from the PQ25 platform.[12] "

(PQ24 ended in Europe in 2010 with the last Skoda Fabia) and the same Gol is current in Brazil.

"The VW Gol has been rated as highly unsafe by Latin NCAP, scoring only one star for adult occupants and two stars for children.[16] Its air bag-equipped version scored three stars, although it is a vast minority in the sales mix.[17] This will change with the Brazilian law requiring dual front airbags from 2014 on.[18] Unfortunately, this is the safety standard of low-cost Brazilian cars.[18][19]"

source - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen_Gol

.....And (I did not know this myself until I just looked it up).....Guess what happened to the VW Santana late in its life.....?

"The final Chinese versions are named Santana Vista, and the name Santana is used on a new 2013 model, slightly smaller and based on the Škoda Rapid and SEAT Toledo."

Source - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen_Santana

They look the same but are on two very different architectures from two different eras.

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Well one could at least hope for the better if one knows they are in a very safe car I believe. :)

Have a look at these; how the "same" car or in the case of the Gol and Golf, the similar class car varies in different markets. It's not just the body panels, it's the architectures themselves.

"In the rest of South America, the Brazilian-built Grande Punto (called only Punto) was launched in August 2007. Codenamed Project 310, it is produced in the factory of Betim, Minas Gerais, Brazil.[8]The chassis is an adaptation of the Fiat Palio, a lower cost compact. Levels of safety were not maintained (airbags and ABS are optional on lower trim levels, and the highest one has only two airbags as standard)"

source - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiat_Grande_Punto#Non-European_markets

This is what the European GP comes from - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GM_Fiat_Small_platform

"The Gol was released in 1980 to replace the Brasilia, which was in turn a replacement to the Beetle in the Brazilian market. It was based on its own unique BX platform derived from the existing VW/Audi B1 and B2 platforms. With a design specific to Latin America,

The third generation of the Gol was released in Brazil, on June 29, 2008, as a 2009 model. Referred to before its launch as the Gol NF for Nachfolger or Neue Familie (German terms for "successor" and "new family" respectively), this model is marketed as the "Novo Gol". No longer based on the BX platform, it shares Volkswagen's PQ24 platform with the Fox and Polo, with some components from the PQ25 platform.[12] "

(PQ24 ended in Europe in 2010 with the last Skoda Fabia) and the same Gol is current in Brazil.

"The VW Gol has been rated as highly unsafe by Latin NCAP, scoring only one star for adult occupants and two stars for children.[16] Its air bag-equipped version scored three stars, although it is a vast minority in the sales mix.[17] This will change with the Brazilian law requiring dual front airbags from 2014 on.[18] Unfortunately, this is the safety standard of low-cost Brazilian cars.[18][19]"

source - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen_Gol

.....And (I did not know this myself until I just looked it up).....Guess what happened to the VW Santana late in its life.....?

"The final Chinese versions are named Santana Vista, and the name Santana is used on a new 2013 model, slightly smaller and based on the Škoda Rapid and SEAT Toledo."

Source - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen_Santana

They look the same but are on two very different architectures from two different eras.

Thanks for the information, and I must admit I was not aware of some of the differences.

But I was not speaking of specific models built for specific markets, but when the same model (and here the name doesn't matter as cars are often marketed in different markets in culture specific names) is marketed in different countries or built in different locations.

The VW Gol doesn't quite look like the European Golf. Its a different car. I'm sorry I could not find images of the Latin American Punto but dare I say it will look like the Palio....so clearly is not the same as the Punto sold in Europe and other markets?

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Thanks for the information, and I must admit I was not aware of some of the differences.

But I was not speaking of specific models built for specific markets, but when the same model (and here the name doesn't matter as cars are often marketed in different markets in culture specific names) is marketed in different countries or built in different locations.

The VW Gol doesn't quite look like the European Golf. Its a different car. I'm sorry I could not find images of the Latin American Punto but dare I say it will look like the Palio....so clearly is not the same as the Punto sold in Europe and other markets?

The Puntos look exactly the same Don. Yes the Gol looks different to the Golf but it does look like a previous incarnation. They are both C-segment hatchbacks.

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The Puntos look exactly the same Don. Yes the Gol looks different to the Golf but it does look like a previous incarnation. They are both C-segment hatchbacks.

The punto is food for thought. I must admit every other car which were made for a region (mind you I can only compare East Asia and South Asia here as I haven't visited South America) looks different.

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