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8 hours ago, iRage said:

To be honest...I feel the Indian consumers are being very..uhh..cheap about it. The car is barely larger as a Suzuki Brezza or any of the other Tata Crossovers...so size cannot be an issue. The diesel and petrol engines are small enough that they do give a proper balance between power and economy for the vehicle. From what I have seen the interior looks pretty well put together and far more refined than the Brezza and the Tata. 

Short of it having serious reliability issues, the only thing that they can really hold against it (compared to what else is there in the Indian market) is the price. So to make it competitive, the only thing Nissan can do is to cheapen it. 

True. And the Nissan Magnite is to be priced lower than all those by a large margin...I wonder how they are going to pull that off? 

(And the Nissan Magnite??! Who comes up with these names? Honestly- it sounds like a condom brand:  "Light up your night with the new Magnite...!! Get it now in bold exciting colours!"... and what not :D

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15 hours ago, Kavvz said:

(And the Nissan Magnite??! Who comes up with these names? Honestly- it sounds like a condom brand:  "Light up your night with the new Magnite...!! Get it now in bold exciting colours!"... and what not :D

1. Are they auto lights ? 

2. How many airbags does it come with ? Side or front only ?

3. Traction control and ABS is standard ?

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The new Sienna...

It has traditionally been mainly for North American markets and surrounding areas and has never been sold in Japan. However it was available in some export markets. Previous models were rather bland and boring looking...the new one seems to be quite aggressive (pretty or not)

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On 4/23/2020 at 7:32 PM, iRage said:

It kind of reminds me of the old Fiat Panda 4x4

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Only thing I like in this one is the interior center console. Looks like they have gone back to GD1 era with the exterior and doesn't look exciting they used to be. Funnily for me, Honda has become Toyota with this and Toyota has become Honda with the new Yaris at least by outside looks.

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8 minutes ago, hrm said:

Only thing I like in this one is the interior center console. Looks like they have gone back to GD1 era with the exterior and doesn't look exciting they used to be. Funnily for me, Honda has become Toyota with this and Toyota has become Honda with the new Yaris at least by outside looks.

Yes, I also feel the same..!! And new Toyota designs seem sporty and aggressive. At the same time, Toyota interior designs have also become interesting..

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35 minutes ago, Dee Jay said:

Yes, I also feel the same..!! And new Toyota designs seem sporty and aggressive. At the same time, Toyota interior designs have also become interesting..

Yep. TNGA is working pretty good for Toyota.

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I think the Fit has evolved to be a better family hatch. The last generation only deviated a bit from that thinking, at least in the styling department. There new press piece talks a lot about comfort & convenience. In most other countries I presume that this is a second car hence versatility & comfort is more important. Their website also classifies this as a 'compact'. The 'sports' tag is attached to the likes of s660, Type Rs, NSXs etc. You obviously cant have both - Sports & Comfort in this price bracket. Hence in a way good that it is moving away from pretense, trying to address every desire in a car & be more focused on being better than the others on what most of their buyers want.

https://global.honda/newsroom/news/2020/4200213eng-fit.html

Toyota on the other hand is trying to be getting out of their reputation of a being boring car manufacturer hence infusing sports elements to their base models & taking up a notch with the GR lineup. Whether this shifts their focus from their key strength of being frugal & reliable will only be seen in the long term. Maybe it will help Honda catchup to it on those elements on segments where it matters (i.e. hatches with more comfort & frugality - aqua).

Or they both will be made redundant by the likes of Nissan, Hyundai or Tesla with their EV lineups ;) Let's watch & wait!

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True...Honda did also say that they will not hav a Sporty variant/grade like the RS in the past for this generation of Fit. When it came to the choice between a RS or the CrossFIT, they chose the CrossFit. Sadly there is no sporty feeling hatch in their lineup and the closest would be the Civic..which is quite pricey. I wonder if Mugen will offer some sporty upgrades for the Fit Range...

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11 minutes ago, iRage said:

I wonder if Mugen will offer some sporty upgrades for the Fit Range...

Mugen have already done some modifications for the new FIT range but sadly seems to be limited to cosmetic ones at the moment.. 

 

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Yeah..I saw that....wandering about some additional simple things like suspension upgrades at the very least....the Fit and Yaris are pretty popular (sold on average 36,000 of each from Januaryish until now apparently). So hopefully other after market specialists will start putting out more stuff for the vehicles. But I feel the Yaris will get more items than the Fit.

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GR Yaris CVT concept is finally announced...

First showcased as a concept at TAS2020, the GR Yaris CVT variant will go in to production once the GR Yaris catalog orders start. The car will have the same reinforced body, suspension and brakes from the GR Yaris GR Four but will come with a 1.5L NA engine mated to a souped up CVT transmission and is FWD. This should be interesting to see....

The GR Four GR Yaris RZ starts from 3.9mil yen upwards whilst the GR Yaris CVT is supposed to be around 2.5mil. Toyota claims that this will be quite sporty and that we should trust their claims of this CVT being as such. Hmmm....Image may contain: car and outdoorImage may contain: people sittingImage may contain: car

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36 minutes ago, iRage said:

GR Yaris CVT concept is finally announced...

First showcased as a concept at TAS2020, the GR Yaris CVT variant will go in to production once the GR Yaris catalog orders start. The car will have the same reinforced body, suspension and brakes from the GR Yaris GR Four but will come with a 1.5L NA engine mated to a souped up CVT transmission and is FWD. This should be interesting to see....

The GR Four GR Yaris RZ starts from 3.9mil yen upwards whilst the GR Yaris CVT is supposed to be around 2.5mil. Toyota claims that this will be quite sporty and that we should trust their claims of this CVT being as such. Hmmm....Image may contain: car and outdoorImage may contain: people sittingImage may contain: car

@iRage those hips look like they came off the VW Sirocco (easy on the eye ?)

Even the steering looks like something that could be mistaken for something off a S line trim Audi! 

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5 hours ago, iRage said:

but will come with a 1.5L NA engine mated to a souped up CVT transmission and is FWD.

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Not very happy to see CVT :(

Wonder why Toyota not using their 8 speed auto on this.  Newer Honda's having their own 10 speed now right?

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5 hours ago, kmeeg said:

Not very happy to see CVT :(

Wonder why Toyota not using their 8 speed auto on this.  Newer Honda's having their own 10 speed now right?

No idea...they are using a tuned up version of the direct shift CVT. Now..the Vitz GR Sport came with a CVT..interestingly that thing actually kept its revs much higher than a standard Vitz...and felt a bit less stringy 

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ECU could be programmed keep the engine at sweet spot in a CVT. For instance in the economy mode it will keep the revs around 1500-2500  and in Sport mode 3000-4000 going up and over 6000 on full throttle. You do not get the kick in the but feeling of a DCT or conventional auto or a manual for that matter. But progress can be very rapid. 

This will most probably have the 1st Manual gear for quick take off available in some Toyota CVTs which might solve the launch.

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16 hours ago, kush said:

ECU could be programmed keep the engine at sweet spot in a CVT. For instance in the economy mode it will keep the revs around 1500-2500  and in Sport mode 3000-4000 going up and over 6000 on full throttle. You do not get the kick in the but feeling of a DCT or conventional auto or a manual for that matter. But progress can be very rapid. 

This will most probably have the 1st Manual gear for quick take off available in some Toyota CVTs which might solve the launch.

Not sure about this one but as for Nissan 1.5L CVT they do rev higher but a dull feeling.

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18 hours ago, kush said:

ECU could be programmed keep the engine at sweet spot in a CVT. For instance in the economy mode it will keep the revs around 1500-2500  and in Sport mode 3000-4000 going up and over 6000 on full throttle. You do not get the kick in the but feeling of a DCT or conventional auto or a manual for that matter. But progress can be very rapid. 

This will most probably have the 1st Manual gear for quick take off available in some Toyota CVTs which might solve the launch.

Yes...it has a Direct-Shift CVT so the first gear is an actual gear.

 

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On 6/2/2020 at 11:52 PM, kush said:

ECU could be programmed keep the engine at sweet spot in a CVT. For instance in the economy mode it will keep the revs around 1500-2500  and in Sport mode 3000-4000 going up and over 6000 on full throttle.

True: I guess in a CVT due to it having an infinite number of gear ratios the ECU can always keep the engine rev's at a desired sweet spot, but how its setup will determine where the rev's are held. So in economy mode an ECU programmed to keep rev's in the best range for fuel economy will work to keep engine rev's at 1500-2500 and in sport mode the ECU can be programmed to keep the rev's at a higher range where torque is maximized. Genius: The best of both worlds!

I know I seem extraordinarily pleased at this simple development, but I am yet to drive a CVT with this pre-programmed function so am genuinely happy it now exists! I didn't know the newer CVT transmissions had this feature and IMO this would be the best setup for the lowly officer worker whose driving centers around commuting efficiently. 

Let me explain: I've driven a number of CVT's and I enjoy driving them because they make my commute a lot easier. Honestly, for the drive home there's nothing nicer than a smooth CVT when you are crawling in traffic. No annoying shift points etc. Just quiet, gliding in-between traffic lights...The only drawback is the weekend drives, or those times when you want to spice up mundane errands only to be greeted with the CVT's flat response and a flatter engine note: The much talked about CVT drone! So having a CVT that is able to shift between a dull commuter 'eco mode' and a more performance oriented 'sport' setting would be pretty darn cool! 

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I do tend to agree. My better half drives a Corolla Sp. with CVT. When you are in sport mode progress is fast and the engine drone is acceptable.

It does not have the 1st manual gear as the 2.0L so you cant have aggressive launch.

It came with pedal shift which does not do much except when you want to slow down going down hill. Bloody thing has a habit of overriding you the moment you need that extra revs.

But when you think of the issues with DCT/DSG  and poor MPG of conventional autos in Colombo heavy traffic, i believe it is a small price to pay.

I remember she has a March K11 with a CVT long time back and when you want spirited driving i used to put it on S and increase the audio volume. 

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9 hours ago, kmeeg said:

Not sure about this one but as for Nissan 1.5L CVT they do rev higher but a dull feeling.

Yeah, I've owned smaller engined Nissan's myself and can attest to that ‘dullness’ and the CVT drone too! I don't think any of mine had a 'sport' mode for the CVT but I remember, despite being excellent in traffic, whenever I tried to 'open it out’ a bit it had a certain ‘dullness’ to it. (I remember driving a friends Civic once, and feeling a bit shattered at how much nicer his car was to drive! A Civic! :D)

The larger engined 2.5L & 3.5L Nissan CVT's in the cars and CUV's are a bit better: I find they don't drone as much, due to the artificial shift points Nissan has programmed into them. Kinda defeats the purpose I guess, but they are nicer to drive that way. I guess Nissan tends to set up the 1.5L engined cars to primarily maximize fuel economy which means the CVT is looking to keep engine rev's as low as possible; hence the 'dullness'. 

The 3.5L Nissan CVT's (in the Maxima's and Teana's / Altima's) are especially nice. I always try to bag a Maxima at airport rentals when I can, as they do drive very much like a car with a regular torque converter transmission and are in my opinion one of the better setup commuter cars. I don't know how they do that, but you can hardly tell its a CVT. No CVT drone and they have very aggressive acceleration (with a bit of front torque steer) so no dullness at all there! Possibly, as good as it gets for a CVT equipped car!

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1 hour ago, Kavvz said:

Yeah, I've owned smaller engined Nissan's myself and can attest to that ‘dullness’ and the CVT drone too! I don't think any of mine had a 'sport' mode for the CVT but I remember, despite being excellent in traffic, whenever I tried to 'open it out’ a bit it had a certain ‘dullness’ to it. (I remember driving a friends Civic once, and feeling a bit shattered at how much nicer his car was to drive! A Civic! :D)

The larger engined 2.5L & 3.5L Nissan CVT's are a bit better: I find they don't drone as much, due to the artificial shift points Nissan has programmed into them. Kinda defeats the purpose I guess, but they are nicer to drive that way. I guess Nissan tends to set up the 1.5L engined cars to primarily maximize fuel economy which means the CVT is looking to keep engine rev's as low as possible; hence the 'dullness'. 

The 3.5L Nissan CVT's (in the Maxima's and Teana's / Altima's) are especially nice. I always try to bag a Maxima at airport rentals when I can, as they do drive very much like a car with a regular torque converter transmission and are in my opinion one of the better setup commuter cars. I don't know how they do that, but you can hardly tell its a CVT. No CVT drone and they have very aggressive acceleration (with a bit of front torque steer) so no dullness at all there! Possibly, as good as it gets for a CVT equipped car!

Isnt this how modern CVTs work? They do multiple things between the eco, normal & sport modes. Given that manual cable driven, hydraulic systems are replaced with electronic stuff this mimics what a driver used to do physically with his car. Couple of things that happen now electronically,

1. Throttle response  -  given that the throttle is now electronic it can pump fuel faster when you move from eco to sports. Hence the sudden acceleration.

2. Rev limiter - Eco mode limits revs at 1500-2000rpm whereas sports mode makes it rev freely to its max 4000-5000rpm levels

3. Steering controls - Most modern EPS systems can add more resistance decrease resistance on the fly. Eco/City modes will have least resistance & sports modes having higher.

4. Others - things like traction control etc can have its limits changed similarly on the fly. Effectively for you to have a little bit more fun in a sports mode & not let you lock your wheels up

Although this would give you those feelings, a CVT cannot mimic the rev drops in a DCT or manual car. If you were to drag race it'll still be a continuous Drrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr rather than a DrrDrrrrDrrrrrrrrrDrrrrrrrrrr. I hope you get what I mean ??? lol.

Hence the CVT GR would get us almost there but leave you wanting more. Best of both worlds is to have a manual tranny with all the electronic features. The Hyundai N series seems to have nailed it according to most reviews. Hope the manual tranny vitz GR would go the same route.

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8 minutes ago, NeroX said:

 

Although this would give you those feelings, a CVT cannot mimic the rev drops in a DCT or manual car. If you were to drag race it'll still be a continuous Drrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr rather than a DrrDrrrrDrrrrrrrrrDrrrrrrrrrr. I hope you get what I mean ??? lol.

Hence the CVT GR would get us almost there but leave you wanting more. Best of both worlds is to have a manual tranny with all the electronic features. The Hyundai N series seems to have nailed it according to most reviews. Hope the manual tranny vitz GR would go the same route.

The Drrr made total sense :) 

You mean GR Yaris....The Vitz GR is no more and that came in either 5MT or CVT

The GR Yaris CVT concept seems to be a more handling focused car for everyday use (based on the fact that it is using the same reinforced frame and suspension/brake mechanisms rather than the standard Yaris one). Lets be honest...not many people will want to spend 4.5mil+ yen on a little Yaris for daily use (not to mention if they actually could). So this seems to be a way for them to reach out to the ones who want a more reasonable fun daily driver. I have to say the 1.5L MT Yaris is actually not bad. Considering the GR Yaris CVT uses the same engine as the 1.5L Yaris, it is highly possible that a MT variant would be introduced later on.

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6 hours ago, iRage said:

The Drrr made total sense :) 

Totally~!! :D

 

7 hours ago, NeroX said:

Although this would give you those feelings, a CVT cannot mimic the rev drops in a DCT or manual car. If you were to drag race it'll still be a continuous Drrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr rather than a DrrDrrrrDrrrrrrrrrDrrrrrrrrrr. I hope you get what I mean ??? lol.

The Hyundai N series seems to have nailed it according to most reviews. .

At the risk of being too scientific: Some CVT's, especially the ones in higher-end models, do have pre-programmed shift points which cut out the "Drrrrrrrrrrrr" and let them go "DrrDrrrrDrrrrrrrrrDrrrrrrrrrr"  ?

But yes, the Hyundai N series does seem to have stepped the game up a bit with their DCT's and manuals. Are they common in SL? I'm yet to see one...

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1 hour ago, Kavvz said:

 

But yes, the Hyundai N series does seem to have stepped the game up a bit with their DCT's and manuals. Are they common in SL? I'm yet to see one...

I don't think we have any N Series cars here @Kavvz

Fairly certain the agent didn't import any and it's a little too obscure for anyone to have imported privately either AFAIK

 

Shame because apparently even Korean tuning scene is taking off so given the Sri Lankan expat presence in South Korea one would think there might be an opportunity for something to materialise but perhaps the LHD factor gets in the way of that 

 

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