Land Rover Free Lander - Why Is The Market Low??

[Mani]

which line up was the topic? why there are more CBRs in Sri Lanka than any other manufactures.... so kawi line up has to be in the line of sport bikes... get it? and my answer to every thing was in the line of sport bikes and i never said its dirt bikes because i don't know nothing about them.

You question other people's education and come up with this double negative BS. Question your own level of education first.

Secondly, you're more than happy to apply the BS argument about ‘if one vehicle is bad then the rest of the lineup is also bad from the same manufacturer’. Then on the very next breath you talk about not knowing anything about dirt bikes. Applying your logic, if a dirt bike is made by Kawi shouldn’t your dumb logic apply to both the street and dirt versions too?

Go back to sucking on your mama tits and let the grownups have a conversation.

[blkr6]

thanx mani,i will suck on your momma tits i bet they are great!

let me be clear

Kawasaki click some sport bike versions (nothing major i got 50k on my bike with clicking since 8k)

Land rover products are low quality except the defender because one of my relatives own a landrover product and its troublesome and i have heard other lines also as unreliable as my relatives suv!

[Mani]

thanx mani,i will suck on your momma tits i bet they are great!

Oh they are absolutely fabulous!

That said, I doubt she'll let some snot nose punk suck on them so you'll have to revert back and picking up your mama's pair from the floor, dust them off and see if they got any potential.

[The Don]

well... i have known the guy with the 65- FL for about 5 years. And even after he upgraded to a newer monty, the man regrets moving away from the landy. And this is not somebody who doesn't know what sorta suspension his suv runs. He owns 2 spares shops to my knowledge and knows his cars inside out. So i would listen to his view a lit bit more than that of a guy who did not know the suspension setup his uncles suv had. Even when it under went a replacement. You did not know something simple like that about the RR but you slam all land rovers based on that one RR.

I dont know exactly why LR went under as you say but i doubt it was solely reliability issues. So many brands all over are not doing well due to multitude of reasons. gas prices, main costs, competition from cheaper alternatives, recession etc

I dont have the interest nor the time to checkout kawi forums but i'm guessing those links are related to a certain line up of bike within the kawi range and not the entire kawi range. Kawasaki does makes loads of other models...including dual sport/offroad types.

Honda CRF's...int their earlier versions had a lot of issues. Some engine went bust after mere couple of hours of hard riding. Busting a motor in one race was nothing new.

But i don't think anybody said "hondas" were un reliable. They understood the fact that some of the CRF's were indeed unrelaiable and had issues.

saying yamaha's loose power after "x" amount of miles.

which is factually wrong...

LR went under, when ? If anything they are doing very well even in the recession. The Range Rover funny enough is their big cash cow.

[Kavvz]

LR went under, when ? If anything they are doing very well even in the recession. The Range Rover funny enough is their big cash cow.

It didn't go under, but they were running at a loss when bought by Tata from Ford. Not sure of the state of affairs now. Where did you see the info about their profitability and the breakdown? Got a link?

Edited October 23, 2011 by Kavvz

[Gummybr]

Actually LR didn't go under during the recession, it was infact the most profitable mark for Ford Motor Corporation. Ford and the others were down at that time and they sold both LR and Jaguar together. LR was very well established at the time (with the LR3, RRS, RR and the LR2) and Jaguar was just about coming out of financial hole with the launch of the new XF (which actually saved Jaguar at that time). It was because of LR that they got a good price, not because of Jaguar. So you can safely say that LR was not running at a loss when Tata bought over.

http://answers.yahoo...27023308AAPIM4G

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/7313380.stm

http://www.telegraph...Land-Rover.html

http://www.bloomberg...id=a6BCGuWnMT8Q

[Ripper]

haiyo.....where were you lot when blkR6 was in action here

a great trick i learned off fishing is that you should always always let a hooked fish run... the more and more he runs the easier it gets for an anlger to land the chap. you should never fight against it without letting it run always works...

[Ripper]

repeat post!

Edited October 24, 2011 by Ripper

[Gummybr]

Machang, I've learnt to be patient and answer when only I think it is right and not get involved with bashing other persons.

[Kavvz]

Actually LR didn't go under during the recession, it was infact the most profitable mark for Ford Motor Corporation. Ford and the others were down at that time and they sold both LR and Jaguar together. LR was very well established at the time (with the LR3, RRS, RR and the LR2) and Jaguar was just about coming out of financial hole with the launch of the new XF (which actually saved Jaguar at that time). It was because of LR that they got a good price, not because of Jaguar. So you can safely say that LR was not running at a loss when Tata bought over.

http://www.bloomberg...id=a6BCGuWnMT8Q

Cool. Thanks for the clarification there 'Gummybr' and the links.

The bloomberg link sums it up well. Quote: "Ford doesn't disclose financial results for Jaguar and Land Rover, whose biggest markets are the U.K. and the U.S. Jaguar is unprofitable, according to analysts. Ford has said the Jaguar- Land Rover combination is profitable. Land Rover posted an 18 percent worldwide sales gain last year to 226,395 vehicles. Jaguar slid 19 percent to 60,485."

[The Don]

It didn't go under, but they were running at a loss when bought by Tata from Ford. Not sure of the state of affairs now. Where did you see the info about their profitability and the breakdown? Got a link?

Hi Kavvz, I don't exactly remember my source with regards to Range Rover being the cash cow, I think it was a local newspaper. Jaguar Land Rover is very much in profit at the moment, which is quite an achievement considering the economic conditions.

http://www.landrover.com/gl/en/lr/about-land-rover/news-overview/jlr-delivers-strong-performance/

Here are last years results (a quick search on Google revealed all)

http://www.jaguarlandrover.com/pdf/Investor_Presentation_FY2011.pdf

One must also not forget that the Jaguar XF has won executive car of the year 3 years in a row now beating the mighty BMW, Audi and Mercedes.

[fonfe]

hi guys,

im a qualified land rover mechanic....i did my training at the land rover technical academy in the uk, ive worked in land rover main dealers and land rover specialst garages as a mechanic and as a parts manager so i do know a little about them....

ive read the topic through and just want to highlight a few things and give my input/opinion.

Firstly the freelander 1 is a great little car but like all cars its had its problems. in short the petrol versions are crap. both the 1.8k series a the 2.5kv6 have head gasket issues.

yes land rover did release a modified headgaket AND oil rail for the 1.8 which has improved the problem of head gasket failure but most non dealers that fit these will miss something out. i.e. the special oil rail sealant, or that you should also fit the modified coolant tank and cap when doing the headgasket as they get stress cracks which release pressure and thus cause overheating of the system. this is often overlooked by people as the cracks appear underneath the sticker on the tank.

The v6 also suffers from head gasket failure but this is normally caused by a leak on a coolant rail that sits in the valley of the V. once there is a small leak the pressure is lost and the engine overheats and warps the cylinder heads.

this happens A LOT in the uk where it never no where near as hot as it is here in lanka so its no surprise that FL1's in lanka will have the problem 10 times worse.

the td4 diesel engine is a different story, its a great engine but like everything it gets problems, a common cause of lack of power is the turbo hoses from the intercooler to the inlet manifold delaminate so from the outside they look fine but inside they are sucked shut starving the engine of boost.

ive also replaced a fair few injectors and lift pumps on these but this is common on any diesel.

If you own a diesel fl1 go and buy a crankcase breather filter right NOW. chances are it hasnt been changed during your service here in lanka and by not changing these you will cause engine running problems. this used to be every few services but land rover changed it to every other service i believe from memory but i personally would just change it every service.

The tailgate doors often leak, its usually the body rubber has torn/split or the car has been hit on the spare wheel and this has made the tailgate not quite 100% straight.

IRD (transfer box) do go as they tend to wind themselves up during cornering but its a very easy job to do. the pinion seals also sometimes leak but again a very easy job to replace.

now onto range rover sports.......

as most know the sport and disco 3 along with the supercharged range rover was done in fords ownership of land rover/jag/aston martin. the sport and disco 3 share the same chassis but its just a little longer. so naturally they share some of same problems one being the air suspension. it is common to find people jack the car up on the compressor pump thinking its a jacking point so if you buy one and the air sus wont work check this first!

the compressors do also overheat and they had a problem with the exhaust valve, again a modified one is available but still we used to get these cars coming in for new pumps every few years so expect to change one in your time of ownership. other than the compressors though they dont have many air sus issues, the airbags themselves rarely leak.... they do suffer from front balljoint wear (esp with oversized wheels, i will NEVER reccomend fitting bigger that 20" wheels) lower arm, front ARB rear ARB bushes, front and rear tie rods.

i know ive made them sound like a vehicle with a lot of issues but im just naming things that ive replaced a lot of in my years of working on these cars, they are an excelent drive and great off road and are in a diferent league from a defender which hasnt really changed much in the past 20 years apart from the latest TDCI puma models which have a ford transit van engine and gearbox.

not knocking defenders though they but they have their place and they are not a high spec model like the fl, disco and range rover so this is naturally shown in the price.

in light of getting spares, the place where i used to be a parts manager is called berkshire land rover. They are a defender builder that also has a small service department. the current parts manager is an old mate of mine and they will send parts abroad if you require them. just contact them with a full chassis number to make sure its 100% the right part.

www.berkshirelandrover.com

(please do not think this is an advert for them, i do not work for them any more and i will not gain from anyone buying from them, i just wanted to let you know its a good reliable place to get spares if you need them for any landrover new or old)

regards to the company making a loss, land rover havent made a loss in years, jaguar has and so when the freelander 2 was created it was chosen not to be built at solihull with all the other land rovers but at the jag factory so that the brands could not be split.

the reason for jags low sales is that in the uk in particular it gained a bad reputation. in the USA they sell very very well and to be honest you get one hell of a good car for your money. just like the superchaged range rover some of the jag models share the aston martin 4.2v8 and the new 5L V8. and believe me a suprcharged range rover will leave a lot of cars well behind speed wise so you can guess that the same power and torque in a small light 2wd car is very very fun!

finally yes TATA are trying to split the land rover / range rover brand....the new "baby range rover evoque" is a great example of this.........underneath its pretty much a freelander 2 which funnily enough underneath is a ford kuga

[Kavvz]

Hi Kavvz, I don't exactly remember my source with regards to Range Rover being the cash cow, I think it was a local newspaper. Jaguar Land Rover is very much in profit at the moment, which is quite an achievement considering the economic conditions.

http://www.landrover...ng-performance/

Here are last years results (a quick search on Google revealed all)

http://www.jaguarlan...tion_FY2011.pdf

One must also not forget that the Jaguar XF has won executive car of the year 3 years in a row now beating the mighty BMW, Audi and Mercedes.

EBITDA £1,502m up from £350m; EBITDA margins 15.2% up from 5.4%

WOW!! That's a massive increase for Jaguar and LR...What on earth? A change in management accounted for all that?Amazing margins too... I wonder how they pulled that off? I guess I'm going to have to read the financials after all

Thanks for the links 'The Don'. Am much obliged...

Edited October 25, 2011 by Kavvz

[VVTi]

@Fonfe, Thats a great write up. THank you for clearing this up. Just goes to show the difference between someone who knows what he is talking about and someone who googles.

Thank you again. We need more of your type and the less of the Google Mechanics, who dont even own a bicycle pump.

[Ripper]

@Fonfe, Thats a great write up. THank you for clearing this up. Just goes to show the difference between someone who knows what he is talking about and someone who googles.

Thank you again. We need more of your type and the less of the Google Mechanics, who dont even own a bicycle pump.

1+++

these are the type of people we need in the forum Thanks for that write up Fonfe!

Would you buy any potta chance have any experience with Ford Rangers?

I gotta a diesel one, 98 spec double cab... some interior body trim bits need replacement and struggling to find parts here in SL

It'd be super if you can point me at a source if you know of one!

[fonfe]

Thanks for the positive feedback guys

I just hate reading things on the internet that aren’t 100% true about cars so I have to add my bit!

Ripper,

I’ve got a small bit of experience with rangers but not much I’m afraid. When I worked at a ford dealer we used to sell them so would do basic work on them but anything big it would go to our other branch which was a commercial dealership.

For getting parts I would try www.fordpartsuk.com they only sell genuine ford parts and are a lot cheaper than buying from a dealer. They will also ship world wide but I’m not sure about taxes when they come into lanka as I’ve only just moved here and haven’t had anything sent myself yet as I’ve left my fords in the uk.

But you may not be able to get interior parts as ford tends to stop making certain spares after a 10 year period. May be worth you trying eBay, but if you can’t get hold of the bits your after send my mate at Berkshire land rover an email and he will try to source what you need second hand or new as like me even though he works on land rovers he is a ford fan

His email is [email protected]

[Ripper]

Thanks for the positive feedback guys

I just hate reading things on the internet that aren't 100% true about cars so I have to add my bit!

Ripper,

I've got a small bit of experience with rangers but not much I'm afraid. When I worked at a ford dealer we used to sell them so would do basic work on them but anything big it would go to our other branch which was a commercial dealership.

For getting parts I would try www.fordpartsuk.com they only sell genuine ford parts and are a lot cheaper than buying from a dealer. They will also ship world wide but I'm not sure about taxes when they come into lanka as I've only just moved here and haven't had anything sent myself yet as I've left my fords in the uk.

But you may not be able to get interior parts as ford tends to stop making certain spares after a 10 year period. May be worth you trying eBay, but if you can't get hold of the bits your after send my mate at Berkshire land rover an email and he will try to source what you need second hand or new as like me even though he works on land rovers he is a ford fan

His email is [email protected]

thanks mate. ebay was the first port of call! no luck. the problem is that my model was made when ford and mazda were bedmates! And it's an asian spec so folks in the us for instance doesn't even know of a little diesel ford ranger.

Emailed a few breaker joints in australia and newzealand but so far no luck...will try those links and pop a mail to your buddy

thanks again...

[The Don]

thanks mate. ebay was the first port of call! no luck. the problem is that my model was made when ford and mazda were bedmates! And it's an asian spec so folks in the us for instance doesn't even know of a little diesel ford ranger.

Emailed a few breaker joints in australia and newzealand but so far no luck...will try those links and pop a mail to your buddy

thanks again...

What bit are you looking for Ripper ?

[Ripper]

What bit are you looking for Ripper ?

PM'd u machang

[HARRIS]

Hello everyone. I have just returned to UK & am starting my old venture of recovery, salvage & euro vehicle parts.

I tried to set shop in SL, but sadly it did not work out. Long story.

It was sad to leave such a beautiful country where every day is a summer's day unlike UK.

If anyone has any issues with European vehicle parts please contact me at [email protected] & I will be more than happy to help.

Best regards

Jerome