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Will Hybrids Fail Or Succeed In Sri Lanka?


  

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  1. 1. Will Hybrids Fail Or Succeed In Sri Lanka?

    • FAIL - Hybrids will NOT become accepted and 'mainstream' and will 'FAIL' in Sri Lanka
    • SUCCEED - Hybrids will become accepted and 'mainstream' and will 'SUCCEED' in Sri Lanka


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If you knew anything about the history of cars in tropical conditions, you would know there is significant historical basis for that point of view. But of course, you don't.

Yes, there is a historical basis for your point of view and the corresponding caution. However, it doesn't automatically mean that because a vehicle is imported from UK or Japan it will have problems in local conditions. I would argue it has little to do with where the vehicle was imported from and much more to do with the the basic engineering, testing, and quality assurance that went into that vehicle as well as maintainance & care history by owners. And looking at it from a longer range perspective, if a model does have problems in local conditions, those problems often showed up earlier in other markets. The A33 had dashboard cracking problems in Australia and the desert & tropical regions of the U.S. long before it was known as a problem locally. AFAIK, the 14 year history of hybrid cars has not shown a pattern of reliability problems in other markets.

No they are not. The ONLY reason you would come to that conclusion is that you lack knowledge. And as for no significant reliability issues? Why the hell do you think there were recalls?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/8505402.stm

The company has already recalled eight million vehicles

Toyota has announced the recall of about 436,000 hybrid vehicles worldwide, including its latest Prius model, to fix brake problems.

The total includes more than 200,000 Prius cars sold in Japan and 8,500 cars in the UK.

Yep, Toyota had a bad year last year. Reliability, though, is different from a recall although a recall does affect reliability. (Recall is manufacturer issues notice that vehicle has a specific problem and recalls vehicles to agents to fix the problem. Reliability is problems the vehicle accumulates over time.) The interesting thing here is that even though many Toyota vehicles had recalls last year and those recalls did negatively affected their reliability, their reliability still ended up being as good as or better than most other makes and models of cars. (http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/cars/new-cars/cr-recommended/best-worst-in-car-reliability/reliability-findings/reliability-findings.htm )

And focusing on the Prius, the much talked about Prius 'brake recall' resulted because 180 2010 Prius owners (out of tens of thousands at the time) complained about a 1 second lag between pressing the brake and the brakes engaging on slippery surfaces. ( http://articles.cnn.com/2010-02-04/world/japan.prius.complaints_1_brake-system-anti-lock-prius-hybrid?_s=PM:WORLD ).Toyota eliminated the lag with a software update. Not exactly a reliability problem.

The fact that "the experiment is underway" doesn't mean that, as a motoring community, we need to blindly promote that.

True. The prudent, cautious thing is to say "Wait a year or two and see what happens before deciding to purchase a hybrid." But, then again, a person has to take a risk to be ahead of the herd. :D

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If you knew anything about the history of cars in tropical conditions, you would know there is significant historical basis for that point of view. But of course, you don't.

No they are not. The ONLY reason you would come to that conclusion is that you lack knowledge. And as for no significant reliability issues? Why the hell do you think there were recalls?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/8505402.stm

Lets see (I'd put this within quotes, but the system isn't letting me)

The company has already recalled eight million vehicles

Toyota has announced the recall of about 436,000 hybrid vehicles worldwide, including its latest Prius model, to fix brake problems.

The total includes more than 200,000 Prius cars sold in Japan and 8,500 cars in the UK.

TOYOTA RECALLS: STORY SO FAR

September 2007, US: 55,000 Camry and Lexus cars in floormat recall

October 2009, US: 3.8m Toyota and Lexus vehicles recalled due to floormat problem

November 2009, US: floormat recall increased to 4.2m vehicles

January 2010, US: 2.3m Toyota vehicles recalled due to accelerator pedal problems (of those, 2.1m already involved in floormat recall)

January 2010, US: 1.1m Toyotas in floormat recall

February 2010, Europe: 1.8m Toyota's in pedal recall

February 2010, Japan, US: 200 reports of brake faults in new Prius. Cars recalled

February 2010, worldwide: 436,000 hybrid vehicles in brake recall. Also, 7,300 Camry vehicles recalled in the US over potential brake tube problems

There would also be recalls of Hybrid Sai, sold only in Japan, and Lexus HS250h, sold globally, the company said...

Would you like to tell the fine ladies and gentlemen at BBC that there are no significant reliability issues?

You do that.

Your missing the point. One of the reasons new versions are released are to provide fixes for old versions. Keeping the old version in production means that whatever faults that were caught and fixed for Gen 3 will still be in those cars, even tho its still being made.

The fact that "the experiment is underway" doesn't mean that, as a motoring community, we need to blindly promote that. There have been plenty of experiments that were underway with popular backing that did not contribute to the betterment of mankind. Hitler was voted into power so he could experiment with his ideal of aryan supremacy and kill all the Jews ideas. The Tata Nano experiment is well underway, despite the fact that it seems to spontaneously burst into flames for no good reason.

And in case you missed it, Sifaan gave a much better reason that taking the overall Indian picture wouldn't work. Also, this is interesting.

This means people who typically don't know much about cars (typically, unless they have a personal interest. We already have had discussions on AL about car advertisements that mention "doctor owned, executive owned" etc). They are buying into the image, much like most of California, rather than actual car.

At the end of the day, the Prius in particular, is an econobox. Its not glamorous. And econoboxes are made cheap to run cheap. In the context of buying a car. And as the old saying goes, cheap things no good, good things no cheap.

I just couldn't have said it much better than this B)

"No, no, no. There's no such thing as cheap and cheerful. It's cheap and nasty & expensive and cheerful."

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-fears about the battery needing replacement

OH you poor deluded soul

Are you under the impression that the batteries will last forever even if they dont fail ?

Every battery will have a lifespan and it will be shortened by build ups and by the memory effect. Build ups on a battery cell will create an obstacle for the free flow of Ions and also since no chemical reaction is perfect some sort of loss happens every time a battery charges or discharges.If there was such a thing called a lifetime battery we wouldn't have to replace our normal 12v car batteries every now and then should we.

So in conclusion replacing the battery in a hybrid is inevitable !

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OH you poor deluded soul

Are you under the impression that the batteries will last forever even if they dont fail ?

Every battery will have a lifespan and it will be shortened by build ups and by the memory effect. Build ups on a battery cell will create an obstacle for the free flow of Ions and also since no chemical reaction is perfect some sort of loss happens every time a battery charges or discharges.If there was such a thing called a lifetime battery we wouldn't have to replace our normal 12v car batteries every now and then should we.

So in conclusion replacing the battery in a hybrid is inevitable !

What a bizarre conclusion you came to. Of course batteries don't last 'forever' (your words not mine). Everyone knows that. Duh!

As far as what I was referring to, here's a hint: Just think about all the fears about the hybrid battery people may have.

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dude Californikan don't get this the wrong way i personally think this topic is not appropriate at this point of time it's now only around six months time hybrid largely imported to srilanka it will take another good year or two to properly say will hybrids fail or succeed in SL until then it's not suitable to start this kind of topic what will happen then is it will lost it purpose and it will damage the image of the hybrids even more. :)

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dude Californikan don't get this the wrong way i personally think this topic is not appropriate at this point of time it's now only around six months time hybrid largely imported to srilanka it will take another good year or two to properly say will hybrids fail or succeed in SL until then it's not suitable to start this kind of topic what will happen then is it will lost it purpose and it will damage the image of the hybrids even more. :)

thanks nexus. point taken.

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At the end of the day, the Prius in particular, is an econobox. Its not glamorous. And econoboxes are made cheap to run cheap. In the context of buying a car. And as the old saying goes, cheap things no good, good things no cheap.

I cant agree with you on that.Infact hybrids are manufactured at a higher cost than their other counterparts, The only reoson that we are getting them cheap here is becuase of the tax cut.

And NO you cant call hybrid owners cheap people, there are lots of other real econoboxes to buy for less than 3 mil, and someone who buys a car for 3.5-4 mil You call them Cheap?

With your lack of attention to detail, its no wonder you're on the bandwagon. I said the PRIUS is an econobox. In the hybrid world, it is an econobox. Take a look at the prices of the cars on Californikan's thread and see what the Cheapest cars are.

Take the cheapest of the conventional cars. What comes to mind? Maruti and Tata Nano? Take the cheapest hybrids. What comes to mind?

Also, like you prove in your later post, plenty of penny wise, pound foolish people jumped on the hybrid bandwagon. Thats wanna show off and seem expensive while still being cheap people. Remember that chap who very proudly said his Prius did 17 long distance? A figure I matched in Madz' 1.8 CVT Luxel on a trip to Kataragama? Initial cost, less, fuel cost same, maintenance cost... ?

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Yep, Toyota had a bad year last year. Reliability, though, is different from a recall although a recall does affect reliability. (Recall is manufacturer issues notice that vehicle has a specific problem and recalls vehicles to agents to fix the problem. Reliability is problems the vehicle accumulates over time.) The interesting thing here is that even though many Toyota vehicles had recalls last year and those recalls did negatively affected their reliability, their reliability still ended up being as good as or better than most other makes and models of cars. (http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/cars/new-cars/cr-recommended/best-worst-in-car-reliability/reliability-findings/reliability-findings.htm )

You dumb twit! Anything that affects reliability is a reliability issue! I mean, this sentence is so far wrong car marketing talk that I am insulted! Do you think the people on this forum are fools?! Even the company felt the problem was severe enough to recall hundred of thousands of vehicles, but YOU think YOU get to sit here and pooh-pooh it as a non issue? And that article quotes THREE separate hybrid models!

Also this damn article of yours says

latest predicted-reliability Ratings

Again, do you think we are fools to fall for your marketing talk?

And focusing on the Prius, the much talked about Prius 'brake recall' resulted because 180 2010 Prius owners (out of tens of thousands at the time) complained about a 1 second lag between pressing the brake and the brakes engaging on slippery surfaces. ( http://articles.cnn.com/2010-02-04/world/japan.prius.complaints_1_brake-system-anti-lock-prius-hybrid?_s=PM:WORLD ).Toyota eliminated the lag with a software update. Not exactly a reliability problem.

A 1 second delay? A ONE SECOND delay?!? You clearly have never driven anything more than a bullock cart if you think a ONE SECOND DELAY is not a SERIOUS, SERIOUS problem!!! 1 second is a helluva long time. Thats why our software latency is measures in micro seconds.

Home work exercise for you. The speed limit is 50. Take the stopping time and stopping distance from 50 for a prius. Add the distance it would travel in 1 second at 50kmph before the brakes come on and see how much further the car will travel before stopping. Now try a faster speed, the 70kmph outstation limit. Now for shit and giggles, try the 193kmph you were so proud of that the car can achieve. Do it.

True. The prudent, cautious thing is to say "Wait a year or two and see what happens before deciding to purchase a hybrid." But, then again, a person has to take a risk to be ahead of the herd. :D

You're not ahead of the herd. You are in a herd 3000 strong. A herd of P.T. Barnum's favorite type of people. You wanna be ahead of the herd, buy a Leaf.

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went to toyota lanka for a service over the weekend. There were atleast 5 prius' being serviced in the morning. a supervisor said that they had sent a team to japan for training and they were now fully equipped to service and repair the prius. they've also started importing more spare parts. he also mentioned that a battery costed Rs 800,000 through the agents (brand new) but there were people bringing it down for around Rs 250,000. his view was that the battery was pretty durable and there were plenty of examples of batteries lasting over 500,000 km's! don't know how true that is.

anyway, next to my car there was a prius being serviced and they were also running an engine diagnostic. got to admit the technician seemed pretty comfortable around the car.

atleast hybrid owners will be relieved to know that the agents now seem better equipped to look after their cars.

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You dumb twit! Anything that affects reliability is a reliability issue! I mean, this sentence is so far wrong car marketing talk that I am insulted! Do you think the people on this forum are fools?! Even the company felt the problem was severe enough to recall hundred of thousands of vehicles, but YOU think YOU get to sit here and pooh-pooh it as a non issue? And that article quotes THREE separate hybrid models!

Again, you're not understanding the difference between a recall and reliability so let me try explaining it in a different way.

27603d1295070063-consumers-guide-auto-report-reliability-prius-consumer-reports-reliability-chart.gif

Imagine you own a car for, say, 7 years and during those 7 years the car gives you NOT ONE PROBLEM AT ALL except for one time when you had to take it to the agent to get a software update because there was a recall to do that. Looking at that history most people would say the car was very reliable even though there was a recall.

Now imagine your wife buys a different car at the same time and also keeps it for 7 years. But this car has a problems, things that break, things that go wrong, things that happen every 1 or 2 months that require a trip to the agent. Some of these problems are small, some are big, but they continually occurred over the 7 years sand she had to spend a lot of time and money at the garage getting these problems fixed. Most people would say this car was unreliable even though there were no recalls on it.

This is the difference between reliability and recalls. A car can be considered reliable even though it has had a recall. This is one reason why 2010 was the best sales year ever for the Prius even though it had a serious safety recall. People were able to put that recall into context - something you are obviously having great difficulty doing - and they continued considering the 2010 Prius to be a reliable car and continued buying it in droves.

A 1 second delay? A ONE SECOND delay?!? You clearly have never driven anything more than a bullock cart if you think a ONE SECOND DELAY is not a SERIOUS, SERIOUS problem!!! 1 second is a helluva long time. Thats why our software latency is measures in micro seconds.

Home work exercise for you. The speed limit is 50. Take the stopping time and stopping distance from 50 for a prius. Add the distance it would travel in 1 second at 50kmph before the brakes come on and see how much further the car will travel before stopping. Now try a faster speed, the 70kmph outstation limit. Now for shit and giggles, try the 193kmph you were so proud of that the car can achieve. Do it.

You didn't catch that the brake issue occurred only on slippery surfaces such as snow and ice. Yeah, the snow and ice on the roads in the outstation really is a SERIOUS,SERIOUS problem for Prius drivers.

And FYI: 1 second at 100kmph is 27 meters.

You wanna be ahead of the herd, buy a Leaf.

At last! Something we can agree on! :D

nissan-leaf.jpg

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Again, you're not understanding the difference between a recall and reliability so let me try explaining it in a different way.

27603d1295070063-consumers-guide-auto-report-reliability-prius-consumer-reports-reliability-chart.gif

Imagine you own a car for, say, 7 years and during those 7 years the car gives you NOT ONE PROBLEM AT ALL except for one time when you had to take it to the agent to get a software update because there was a recall to do that. Looking at that history most people would say the car was very reliable even though there was a recall.

Now imagine your wife buys a different car at the same time and also keeps it for 7 years. But this car has a problems, things that break, things that go wrong, things that happen every 1 or 2 months that require a trip to the agent. Some of these problems are small, some are big, but they continually occurred over the 7 years sand she had to spend a lot of time and money at the garage getting these problems fixed. Most people would say this car was unreliable even though there were no recalls on it.

This is the difference between reliability and recalls. A car can be considered reliable even though it has had a recall. This is one reason why 2010 was the best sales year ever for the Prius even though it had a serious safety recall. People were able to put that recall into context - something you are obviously having great difficulty doing - and they continued considering the 2010 Prius to be a reliable car and continued buying it in droves.

You didn't catch that the brake issue occurred only on slippery surfaces such as snow and ice. Yeah, the snow and ice on the roads in the outstation really is a SERIOUS,SERIOUS problem for Prius drivers.

And FYI: 1 second at 100kmph is 27 meters.

At last! Something we can agree on! :D

nissan-leaf.jpg

Good God, talking to this chap is like arguing with a brick wall!

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Imagine you own a car for, say, 7 years and during those 7 years the car gives you NOT ONE PROBLEM AT ALL except for one time when you had to take it to the agent to get a software update because there was a recall to do that. Looking at that history most people would say the car was very reliable even though there was a recall.

Now imagine your wife buys a different car at the same time and also keeps it for 7 years. But this car has a problems, things that break, things that go wrong, things that happen every 1 or 2 months that require a trip to the agent. Some of these problems are small, some are big, but they continually occurred over the 7 years sand she had to spend a lot of time and money at the garage getting these problems fixed. Most people would say this car was unreliable even though there were no recalls on it.

Dude, recalls are issued to sort out to reliability issues. I'm not saying it keeps breaking down all the time, but you said "No significant issues". This statement is WRONG. There was a SIGNIFICANT issue. I dunno if its a problem for prius drivers who drive at 30k looking at trees dying in their damn displays without watching where they are going, but not having brakes for a whole second is very, very serious issue. If you think driving around with no brakes is normal, you need to have your license revoked. And your example has to be the stupidest example of all time. It is obvious you don't know jack about driving, and you are sitting here marketing cars. I've half a mind to ban you for advertising so damn hard, totally ignoring faults. Not even hardcore Honda fanboys back in the drag racing days manged to spout out the BS quite like you do. (And I said Honda fanboys, not fans, before any of you get offended. Proper fans actually had knowledge to back up what they said, unlike the "vtec just kicked in yo!" fanboy set)

Imagine owning a car for 7 minutes and your brakes don't work while driving your brand new car home and you end up wrapped around a lamp post. I'm sure the lack of serious issues will be of great comfort even though your reflexes were fine and you took the correct action of pressing the brake pedal in time to avoid the accident, except the car didn't apply the damn brakes!

And Software Updates are issued to sort out bugs. You might not have a clue, but I was in tech support for almost 5 years and I do IT consultancy now, so I know what I'm talking about. You don't just dismiss the software issues. No brakes qualifies as a grade A, a showstopper. Shut the thing down and it stays down till fixed kind of issue. Do you think Toyota recalled 400,000 cars, suffered a major loss of face, prestige, image and $2,000,000,000 just for FUN?!?

This is the difference between reliability and recalls. A car can be considered reliable even though it has had a recall. This is one reason why 2010 was the best sales year ever for the Prius even though it had a serious safety recall. People were able to put that recall into context - something you are obviously having great difficulty doing - and they continued considering the 2010 Prius to be a reliable car and continued buying it in droves.

The reason that people continue buying it in droves is morons like you who keep marketing it and people keep falling for it. People visit Magcity in droves too. Do you see anyone here recommending it? People in droves elected Hitler, people in droves backed Prabakaran and Osama. People don't buy the Prius for reliability, they buy it for the same reason they wanted Axios with push button start and winker mirrors. To impress the bloody neighbours!

You didn't catch that the brake issue occurred only on slippery surfaces such as snow and ice. Yeah, the snow and ice on the roads in the outstation really is a SERIOUS,SERIOUS problem for Prius drivers.

And FYI: 1 second at 100kmph is 27 meters.

We have dusty roads and wet roads with can be slippery too. So stop being a moron. You have no sense of time and distance. 27 meters? A bloody blue whale is 30! The whole vehicle is about 4.5 meters, that means in one second at 50 while you're without brakes, the car can move about 3 car lengths. Even a moron should be able to see that this can be a serious problem, specially in a local context were pedestrians run around like suicide bombers.

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I love how this poll shows a clear split between our resident trolls and real members.

Well i voted for succeed.. and this is my first direct comment regarding hybrids among all the uncountable threads came on last couple of months (if i remember correct).

I vote keeping aside all the trolling, politics, tax reductions, inflation, .... etc. Looking at current global and possible fuel crisis in 100s of years to come, alternate fuel sources or maximize efficiency in left over fuel is a must and I don't think will be an option in generations to come.

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What a bizarre conclusion you came to. Of course batteries don't last 'forever' (your words not mine). Everyone knows that. Duh!

As far as what I was referring to, here's a hint: Just think about all the fears about the hybrid battery people may have.

Well well what a shameless act, you edited your first post :rolleyes:

Trying to cover up all the BS you said previously ?

I specifically remember your 1st post saying something like "Fear of batteries failing"

So even you admit the fact that "batteries don't last 'forever'". So guess what "fear of batteries failing" is logical since the batteries will fail eventually, and it will cost them something around 600,000 to replace them.

Just like how people check the engine quality, batteries etc batteries in the hybrids will also have to be checked before buying.

Im saying the first owner might not have to replace the battery pack but the second or the third owner will be truly screwed.

Given the factors its hard to believe that hybrids will actually have a secondhand market regardless how efficient they are.

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im a not a owner of a hybrids or any thing just in curiosity how much will electric mortar going to cost when it's time to replace them?.

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Well well what a shameless act, you edited your first post :rolleyes:

Trying to cover up all the BS you said previously ?

I specifically remember your 1st post saying something like "Fear of batteries failing"

So even you admit the fact that "batteries don't last 'forever'". So guess what "fear of batteries failing" is logical since the batteries will fail eventually, and it will cost them something around 600,000 to replace them.

Just like how people check the engine quality, batteries etc batteries in the hybrids will also have to be checked before buying.

Im saying the first owner might not have to replace the battery pack but the second or the third owner will be truly screwed.

Given the factors its hard to believe that hybrids will actually have a secondhand market regardless how efficient they are.

I edited the first post because you got confused by it and I didn't want anyone else to get confused so I took it out. Here is exactly what it said:

-fears about the battery needing replacement

FYI: The battery typically lasts the lifetime of the car. Thats what it's designed to do. ( http://green.autoblog.com/2011/03/30/ten-year-old-toyota-prius-vehicles-still-outperforming-critics/ ). Someone earlier mentioned they went to the agent and the agent told them it'll last over 500,000km.

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Dude, recalls are issued to sort out to reliability issues. I'm not saying it keeps breaking down all the time, but you said "No significant issues". This statement is WRONG. There was a SIGNIFICANT issue. I dunno if its a problem for prius drivers who drive at 30k looking at trees dying in their damn displays without watching where they are going, but not having brakes for a whole second is very, very serious issue.

OK. I accept that. Saying "No significant issues" was not a good choice of words. I used those words because I was in the U.S. during the entire time the recalls happened and it was something that, after the brakes were reprogrammed, became a finished matter.

The reason that people continue buying it in droves is morons like you who keep marketing it and people keep falling for it.

If what I have been saying is considered marketing then I sincerely apologize.

I'm not a marketer dude. I'm a tree hugger. I've said that before many times. My interest in hybrids is low emissions and low pollution for a clean green Sri Lanka.

And having having had first-hand experience with hybrids while living in the States, from the first-gen Honda Insight back in 1999 to the 2012 Chevy Volt which I have driven, I feel very comfortable and confident about hybrid technology and the vehicles, and I express that. It's only natural. I've had 10+ years in a hybrid crazy country.

The reason that people continue buying it in droves is morons like you who keep marketing it and people keep falling for it.

Then you are saying that the millions of Japanese and Americans who have bought hybrids did so because they fell for marketing. And car manufacturers are morons because they are the ones who are marketing these vehicles to people.

That makes no sense at all.

So stop being a moron. You have no sense of time and distance. 27 meters? A bloody blue whale is 30! The whole vehicle is about 4.5 meters, that means in one second at 50 while you're without brakes, the car can move about 3 car lengths.

It seems like you are trying to do a mathematics calculation by imagining blue whales.

1 second at 100kmph is about 27 meters. 1 second at 50kmph is about 13.5 meters. It's a simple calculation.

"morons like you , So stop being a moron, Even a moron should be able to see, If you knew anything, Are you just stupid, You dumb twit!"

Dude, no offence, but what is going on with the constant name calling and insults?

It makes this forum seem immature, unprofessional, and toxic. And it only diminishes the opportunity for people to reach a graceful resolution to differences of opinion. You should be setting an example for others.

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Californikan, on 08 May 2011 - 08:59 PM, said:

And focusing on the Prius, the much talked about Prius 'brake recall' resulted because 180 2010 Prius owners (out of tens of thousands at the time) complained about a 1 second lag between pressing the brake and the brakes engaging on slippery surfaces. ( http://articles.cnn....rid?_s=PM:WORLD ).Toyota eliminated the lag with a software update. Not exactly a reliability problem.

Very entertaining but a quick correction,

The brake issue was as the car goes over a rough road and the brakes are applied, if one wheel unloads [i.e. go over a bump and as the traction is reduced] the ABS system is actuated. The problem was that the other 3 wheels still have traction but by actuating ABS early, it increase the distance unless you push the brake pedal all the way down. The fix was to actually delay the ABS engagement point so the system is not so sensitive.

This is first hand experience and have duplicated it many many times before and tested the fix after.

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Dude, recalls are issued to sort out to reliability issues. I'm not saying it keeps breaking down all the time, but you said "No significant issues". This statement is WRONG. There was a SIGNIFICANT issue. I dunno if its a problem for prius drivers who drive at 30k looking at trees dying in their damn displays without watching where they are going, but not having brakes for a whole second is very, very serious issue. If you think driving around with no brakes is normal, you need to have your license revoked. And your example has to be the stupidest example of all time. It is obvious you don't know jack about driving, and you are sitting here marketing cars. I've half a mind to ban you for advertising so damn hard, totally ignoring faults. Not even hardcore Honda fanboys back in the drag racing days manged to spout out the BS quite like you do. (And I said Honda fanboys, not fans, before any of you get offended. Proper fans actually had knowledge to back up what they said, unlike the "vtec just kicked in yo!" fanboy set)

Imagine owning a car for 7 minutes and your brakes don't work while driving your brand new car home and you end up wrapped around a lamp post. I'm sure the lack of serious issues will be of great comfort even though your reflexes were fine and you took the correct action of pressing the brake pedal in time to avoid the accident, except the car didn't apply the damn brakes!

And Software Updates are issued to sort out bugs. You might not have a clue, but I was in tech support for almost 5 years and I do IT consultancy now, so I know what I'm talking about. You don't just dismiss the software issues. No brakes qualifies as a grade A, a showstopper. Shut the thing down and it stays down till fixed kind of issue. Do you think Toyota recalled 400,000 cars, suffered a major loss of face, prestige, image and $2,000,000,000 just for FUN?!?

The reason that people continue buying it in droves is morons like you who keep marketing it and people keep falling for it. People visit Magcity in droves too. Do you see anyone here recommending it? People in droves elected Hitler, people in droves backed Prabakaran and Osama. People don't buy the Prius for reliability, they buy it for the same reason they wanted Axios with push button start and winker mirrors. To impress the bloody neighbours!

We have dusty roads and wet roads with can be slippery too. So stop being a moron. You have no sense of time and distance. 27 meters? A bloody blue whale is 30! The whole vehicle is about 4.5 meters, that means in one second at 50 while you're without brakes, the car can move about 3 car lengths. Even a moron should be able to see that this can be a serious problem, specially in a local context were pedestrians run around like suicide bombers.

this is just fantastic :D

really no clue y the brake issue is not so important to him hmm? maybe he's like the Flintstones era :P

its basically show-off coz people who have these cars are now fitting fancy lights, 16,17 rims which basically is pointless if they wanna save the planet n run green... there are plenty of threads showing this in AL nw. how to put lights around the gear lever etc

I'll still vote for the Honda Clarity by far then a Prius coz that's way ahead of any tech car at present.

isn't making a Prius battery more environmentally damaging :huh:

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I'll still vote for the Honda Clarity by far then a Prius coz that's way ahead of any tech car at present.

isn't making a Prius battery more environmentally damaging :huh:

The Honda Clarity is much more advanced than a Prius or any hybrid, but hydrogen fuel cell vehicles are years away from mass production. The Clarity is available for lease only, and only in California and Japan where there is hydrogen refueling infrastructure in place.

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The Honda Clarity is much more advanced than a Prius or any hybrid, but hydrogen fuel cell vehicles are years away from mass production. The Clarity is available for lease only, and only in California and Japan where there is hydrogen refueling infrastructure in place.

Dude, you had only less than 4 hours sleep. Marketing is not a sleepless job, like in the old days. You can take a break, you know... :)

I sure hope the Sunil Mudalalies of Sri Lanka really makes this worth your while.

BTW, what car do you drive?

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