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Congratz bro.. that is a nice car....
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On 9/11/2018 at 5:23 PM, TheFlyingFox said:
@ iRage
First, it is clear that you have much more experience with cars from the posts that you have shared, Maybe you were not clear as to why i said the ford needed shocks at 45k, It was a direct response to " models are manufactured for developing markets with the presumption than things like road and usage conditions would be harsh so the materials used are harder and things like suspension would be higher and harder...but not the build quality itself. " This is not true, if they did take into consideration things like road conditions i might have not had to replace the shocks. The car is just a strip down version of the European model with lover quality materials (There is no other difference like different suspension systems for Sri Lanka). I was just trying to make a point and not complain, I quite enjoyed the car and the agents didn't charge anything for the replacements.
Now this is in line with Crosswinds Cat theory. You said that the Nissan FB 14 is a "POS" and also agree that our people crave for it. Sri Lanka population is like 21 million, Say 5% of that are using cars. The vast majority think the FB 14 is a good car and still exchange hands, a mare 1000 members in a online forum think otherwise (That its a POS). In other words the vast majority of people are "Idiots" who don't know squat on cars ? There is a good reason why people pay close to 1.8 Million for a good FB14. Guess in your eyes, they are fools.
Again, no offense to anyone, This is a online forum where people exchange ideas
No I don't think people pay exuberant prices on cars just because the cars are "Poss". It is the system that make people squeeze bucks out in millions in order to purchase even a 20 year old trap.
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On 7/6/2018 at 5:25 PM, iRage said:
Again...you are over simplifying things in many ways. Your statement touches base on the simple fact that there are plenty of people who are stuck in the 80s and 90s and not willing to change their behavior and instead blame and shame the technology.
Yes...cars and production methodologies and everything has changed...Yes..cars are built in a manner that they can be easily recyclable, lighter using lighter material....but that does not necessarily mean it has gotten weaker or worst. They cannot be used in a way that you used a car from a decade ago (just like you can't use a present day Allion/Premio the same way you used a Carina from the 80s).
Thinking and saying that the older engines were built strong because they had to build large capacity engines to get X number of hp out of it is a very one dimensional way of looking at it. We as a human race have actually figured out how to make things stronger with things we traditionally thought were weak. Eg. we can do a lot more things with Aluminium/Alloys which we used to do with pure steel and still make it stronger...
Like I said....certain components will have shortened service cycles; requiring them to be changed, services, etc... a bit lesser than in a N/A engine requiring us uses to change the way we use cars....but that does not mean the car was designed to just last around be unusable beyond 10 years. According to your logic we should expect yards upon yards of these cars rotting away in 10-15 years time because that is what the manufactures are planning (since there won't be any engines to replace the existing ones anyway).Again, not in the best interest of these companies to be so simplistic like that...the loss in reputation is far more costlier and longer term than anything else. Now...whether we would still be using the current cars in 10-15 years time is a different story...for example if EVs and FCVs actually turn out to be winners then obviously a lot of people will give up theri Turbo charged Civics for Insights, and Leaves....then the fact that we buy cars that were not intended for our markets is a different story altogether.
Again..your point of view is exactly what people said when new technologies came out. In the late 80s when Japanese cars were going EFI we said the same thing saying the sensors and computers won't last and that the car industry has changed that cars are built flimsily. We said the same thing about Hybrids; that they are made to have shorter lives because.batteries don't last, interiors are made of plastic to save weight, etc...at the end of the day these cars are still running around. We say the same thing about Japanese kei cars...the turbo charged ones have been around for ages (not in SL..) and you still see them running.
When the Japanese vehicles were going on and on, we said the same thing about European vehicles...that they are overly complicated, the build quality is weaker, etc...and that they will break down and be inoperable with time...yet we see plenty of them around (except Alfas of course..they just rotted away
..c'mon had to make an Alfa joke)
The reason why the Japanese were not doing it is NOT because they didn't know how to do it...it was because they were doing extensive R&D, in fact down sized turbo charged engines had been show cased by the Japanese since the 80s (that I know of). Just like Hybrids and Electric vehicles were first played with by Mitsubishi since the 70s.
So..it is not all doom and gloom.
Again...the issue is not with the technology...the issue is with people. People obviously will have old school views and expect to just put oil , petrol and run...(i.e. be cheap about it) and then it will break....and as I said before...it is not the tech that is bad..it is just that people are stuck in the 80s and 90s and are not willing to change with the times and instead blaming it on the present technologies (its not just cars...even our education system is not changing with times and is plagued because people are holding on to a success indicator that should have died of 3 decades ago).
So lets agree to disagree.
Well, it's not blaming the technology but coming to terms with it. We don't live in the 90s to expect the tech and wisdom of the 90s. What I say is that the improvement of the technology does not necessarily make the car last a long time.
Car manufacturers don't make cars to last more than 30-40 years anymore. But, our car market demands vehicles like those. We need to keep this in our minds and be well informed about stuffs like these. It might help us in the long run.
Vehicles reliability lies in the simplicity of its build. Complicated vehicles are rarely reliable as there are so many parts that could go bust. This is why premium cars like Benz, BMW etc., are nightmares to maintain after more than 4-5 years. There was a time specially around 90s that Japan mainly produced pretty solid and simple cars. Those are the ones which we keep as our yardsticks to compare other vehicles. That must not be done.
Regarding the OP, the issue is not about why turbo engine with large engine capacity have lasted longer but how will the smaller capacity lighter engines would hold on to associated higher stresses induced by the Turbos which are placed their only to increase the necessary horse power while maintaining good fuel economy.
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On 7/9/2018 at 10:29 AM, Quiet said:
people said the same kinda stuff when Automatic Transmission came. I specifically remember in 2011 when i was looking to buy a hybrid most people said that system will get damaged by water/battery will die etc etc. Since then i have bought and sold two hybrids, Sky active Mazda and now own a Turbo.
I dont think these guys look at so many aspects when they select a wife. (Leave aside the second hand value)
Well automatics does have problems. Just take a look at the CVT boxes. They are not as reliable as the manuals and they are expensive. There is a reason behind everything. Hybrids are just the same. They are not as reliable as there ICE counterparts specially in longevity.
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2 hours ago, kmeeg said:
I'm no mechanic mate. Just watching videos like this one; Check 1:42 - 1:52.
Scotty is right machan. Things get even worse for 1000cc 3 pot engines which are designed only to get better gas mileage and emission standards.
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8 hours ago, iRage said:
This is exactly what people said about the Turbo charged Subies when they first started coming out...and decades on they still keep on running...True, certain components may have a shorter service cycle but taken care of properly they will last. Like some of you have mentioned...Honda is not going to release an engine that won't last 100,000km. Most Japanese manufacturers took so long to come out with Turbo charged downsized engines because of the long R&D and testing and re-testing.
Are we going to see a lot of worn out Turbo Civics ? Yes...but that has more to do with owner demographic stats rather than the fault of the tech itself. We had a period where all the "thel higanna"/"labha athata wasi" car buyers who bought ship loads of Corollas/Allions/Vezels/Premios/Priuses who were too cheap to run it properly and as a result have a lot of shady units of these models in the country (lets face it...Toyota is not going to build an engine for nearly a decade that is going to seize with sludged engine oil). Now these people have moved on to Civics...so ...in time there will be a lot of shady Civics (put a few Audi models on to this list as well).
The time has changed machan. Not too long ago engine manufacturers didn't know how to produce a compact engine with sufficient power to efficiency ratio. Therefore, they had to produce strong engines get larger number of horse power. But now technologies have improved and they know how to get large number of horses out of a relatively compact engine with great fuel efficiency. Though it is a catchy marketing slogan there are hidden gremlins associated with those engines. Longevity is one thing that must be sacrificed.
As I said earlier Vehicle manufacturers do not care whether their product would last more than 10 years. They have sacrificed a lot to achieve the impossible feats like strict emission standards, safety and fuel efficiency all in one go. We have to realize the fact that we do not live in the 90s.
In conclusion, human factor is an important aspect of deciding the reliability of a vehicle but the vehicle design process is a much more important factor to consider as well. We must not forget that.
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17 hours ago, kmeeg said:
My opinion is that should last for 100,000 kms unless someone drive like a maniac all the time. I don't think Honda would build that level of unreliable engine and have a black mark on their reputation. And its not only the engine that contribute to reliability right? Transmission also play a major role right?
I'm no expert, but I believe no one buys a turbo engine / supercharge engine / high compression engine (like Skyactive) / Hybrid / CVT transmission vehicle for long term reliability.
Do not get this engine confused with regular naturally aspirated engines machan. There are strong stresses affecting a turbo charged engine. You will not find the longevity of a normal engine from a turbo assisted engine. It is a physical certain.
Manufacturers' do not care either. They are planning the obsolescence now. They don't want people to use their vehicles more than 10 years. It hurts countries like us of course. But, what can we do?
P.S - Engine is the main component of a vehicle's reliability. Other parts contributes also but without the engine, nothing would matter.
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On 1/20/2018 at 8:48 PM, Clark'sson said:
I could go on and on about the new civic
To make things short
Dont be fooled its considered a hatchbach athough it has a slightly pointy tail
Its not cheap its a 1liter and there are many audis and other european cars too at its price point of close to 7million.
Its not exactly well built altough the things upfront are of quality it seems that they have the hidden bits a lot less attended
Not perticularly loaded for that price point without autobreak hill keep assist and auto parking
NOT made in japan its made in england the land where the parts fall apart probably not the best for the hot climate in sri lanka.
It may be smooth for a 1L 3pot but not as smooth as a 4pot
And its highly doubtful how this big bodied 1L will fare in long term
Its not a disposable item in sri lanka.
After all honda civic sedans were going for the 4mill range few years ago so what happened.
Still i think the FD1 was much better specialy with a 1.8 and it was a proper sedan
If i had that amount of money to dump on a car Id try to go for a audi a3 or q2 (may be slightly higher priced) a CHR
If its not essential to be brand new audi a4 and a lot comes to mind.
Its impulsive to buy because its 1L so it was so called reduced by the budget but if the same car was the same price from the begining would you buy it.
And its a new car so when more used cars come to the market from england the price will reduce.
I also have a doubt regarding the 1L turbo engine. Considering the stresses involved, it might not last 100,000 kms.
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44 minutes ago, Crosswind said:
Yes. and that's not the only Geely I used - I have used CK, Panda and Panda Cross too.
They all have one thing in common - they are all POS.
Cheaply built and cheaply last.
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On 6/18/2018 at 11:45 AM, Pericles said:
Interesting
Well, that land on either side of the road there is pretty high priced, govt having to compensate people would probably have to pay a huge amount. Probably the same reason there isn't an exit where E03 runs under the main Negombo road near Bangalawatta. Would have made life much easier for me personally, that would run practically into my wife's office, making picking her up and dropping her off so much easier.
The thing is that they have already acquired the required lands on either side of the road. I don't see why they do not put an exit there. That would have been the saner and wiser thing to do rather than bottleneck the Kerawalapitiya road. They just need to put 4 in/exit ramps and toll booths.
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7 hours ago, TBN86 said:
Normally i do service at auto miraj for every 4500km.last time i did not changed the air filter.
4500km? That is too regular no?
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On 5/21/2018 at 10:05 AM, TBN86 said:
I want to do the engine tune up for allion 260 2011 model.Currently idle RPM is 6000 of my car and also have small vibration on idle mode.
Can you suggest good place for do the engine tune up and average cost for this?
Well it is always wise to keep the motor in pristine condition. Generally it will cost about 10,000 LKR to do a proper EFI "tune up".
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On 3/11/2018 at 11:07 PM, optimsh10 said:
Hi Experts,
I'm Looking for a Car around Rs 1.9 to 2.0 Mil and as i have office transport i would be mainly using this car during the weekends.7-8 Km/l fuel economy would be fine with me. My greatest concern is reliability as i will be traveling to the Hill country at least once a month . I'm looking for a manual Transmission car with a reasonably good interior.
I have searched for the following vehicles and still could not make up my mind to select one.
Peugeot 406
Nissan Cefiro (A33)
Nissan Primera P11
Nissan Presea Refina
Mazda 323
Nissan Pulsar
Chevrolet Cruz
Nissan N16
I have visited several car sales and most of the cars mileage have been tampered with. Saw a good looking Primera P11 but mileage showed 110,000
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Appreciate your advice on this and if you could give me pros and cons in the models i have mentioned.
Thanks
From the list. I prefer the P11. However, machan that mileage is not accurate. It should clocked well over 175000.
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3 hours ago, Hyaenidae said:
Well to each his own, some people enjoy driving a manual than an auto
The prize does not justify the cause.
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15 hours ago, peugeot407 said:
WOW a typical permit holder. wasting hard eared money and permit on others preferences. There is no such thing as a better second hand market. If you maintain your vehicle properly and offer it for a reasonable price any vehicle would have a demand.
In my experience I had a hard time selling vehicles that people consider to believe having a good second hand demand due to market saturation.
You are correct. Anything can be sold to the correct prize.
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On 2/10/2018 at 7:29 AM, Chinthaka510 said:
Hi crosswind, I don't know anything about this model. I mean how about the fuel efficiency of car, (it's can be something 5 km/l). If you know something about the model let me know.
Thanks.Don't buy this if you know nothing about it macho. It has some failings that will cost a hell of a lot to fix.
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On 2/9/2018 at 8:21 PM, Chinthaka510 said:
Hi,
Can someone tell me about Nissan Skyline V35. I saw very nice looking car in my friend's neighbour home and its owner willing to sell it. I am interest on this car, but I'm not familiar with this model.
Model V35
Model Year 2003
Engine capacity 2500cc
Pls tell me about this model (Maintenance/Fuel economy) and what will be the reasonable market price of car.
Thanks.
That car is not for you son. Don't even think about it. Look for something more docile.
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5 hours ago, Hyaenidae said:
Honda FD4 is a good choice. Check the Mitsubishi Lancer EX out as well - I saw a black manual transmission one advertised for 3.6mil on the "quick" website. You could be able to negotiate if it's still available.
Toyota 141 2008 is within your budget too
Is it worthwhile to dump 3.6 mil on a manual car? My suggestion is to look for a auto car in these price range.
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6 minutes ago, Klord said:
Can you please elaborate why is that? Civic is my 2nd target in the hunt. If no good CS3 came up on time that is.
Well there trannies are susceptible to failure if not well maintained by able mechanics. Good mechanics are hard to come by all around the country.
What type of civic are you looking for? ES series? They also have a tranny problem because the earlier models were wrecked by our own people when they used general purpose gear oils in Honda trannies. Take a good look at the Trannies.
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10 hours ago, Klord said:
Both Nissan and Toyota cars in Lancer CS+ generation are way overpriced. I kind of dislike Toyota and Nissan looks as well. Too generic. Your point is valid though. I will not be staying here forever, max 18 more months.
Still then avoid Hondas as they are mostly suitable around Colombo and it's suburbs.
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1 hour ago, Lannister said:
Hello fellas, I need some help to pick the best car among these, since which is my first car, I'm curious a bit. wanna know the durability, after market price etc.
What's better, Toyota Ceres Marino or Nissan March K11?Thank You!
Ceres and Marino are too old cars now. You might have trouble finding the body parts. Bear that in mind if you go with those models. Though engine parts are not a problem.
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On 4/21/2018 at 12:53 AM, Klord said:
That is the hard part brother. Im living in Nuwara Eliya, I dont have time and space to go check for vehicles very often. Sometimes I find good deals in web, but when I get a chance to check it (waiting for a holiday or weekend), its already gone.
My humble opinion is you to buy a comfortable, reliable and fuel efficient vehicle from Toyota or Nissan brand as you work in a very "Maka bass" infested area.
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On 4/20/2018 at 8:50 PM, Hyaenidae said:
CS1 does have enough power to go anywhere in Sri Lanka, ask @trinity or @Sampath Gunasekera
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If you can find a CS3 in good nick, go for it. But if you find a CS1 like this don't turn it down just because it has a 1300CC engine.
Ah old boy. You are here too?
27 year old japan car Vs 8 year old indian car?
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Go for the Alto mate. But be wary of the rusting in the Indian model. Check thoroughly before buying.