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Mostly Premio owners LOL (The guys who paid more for the same car )

Oh dear, I can’t believe an owner of a FD1 behaves like this?. Yes, like you said 3 years warranty is very important for a DFSK. Aren’t they giving you accomodation closer to the service center? Because you’ll be visiting that place very often. You are saying that everyone is complaining about the build quality of the vehicle. Yes, build quality is a top reason to avoid or buy a particular vehicle. A relation of mine owns a BAIC x25 (a car from chinese company similar to DFSK) but it has an engine from something like a SAAB and the gearbox is from Aisin. But the build quality is horrible. Shows the signs of a jap car used for more than 200,000+ kms even after doing 15,000kms. You need the whole strength to close the driver’s side door. You can hear many creeks and noises throughout the cabin when travelling on a bad road. That’s what you get for the low price. I won’t trust DFSK. I have driven the Glory. You get a huge list of options and 7 seating (most important thing for you) for a pretty low price. Everything is cheaply built. People like you are trying to convince yourselves from saying others that you are going to buy a chinese crap, and it’s good. So you’ll expect others to say “wow, congratz” and then you can make up your mind a go for it. You came here to ask for the opinions of the members. They said about what they know about the brand, but you are continuously saying it’s better. So there is no point of asking for the opinions. But no one is stopping you. Just go for the DFSK whatever model. Enjoy the repairs! Good luck.

Passo 2008 - Easier to find an unsuspecting rabbit out of the Toyota fluffle when you're reselling it Celerio 2015 - No pros that I know of Viva Elite - This would be my choice, it has proven itself a reliable car under harsh Sri Lankan conditions plus the agent still carry brand-new spares for the car, plenty of 3rd party spare part vendors too Vios 2004 - Same as the Passo, go for it if you're into sedans and abused cars in general Zotye Z100 - Unit#d Mot#rs offer a good after-sales service for their cars but I'd avoid this car due to it being an entirely new addition to the market

The Vitara bug caught me, a week in the ICU with dengue and finally bit the bullet, I bought one! Loving it.

exactly - i really don't get the massive price difference between the two. This is not just limited to Toyota.....some folk pay more for the gold badge on Vezels.

Excellent Go for it.

LOL the Donkey marketing team at Un#Mo are going to be fired when the Boss sees how off-topic this thread has gone unexpectedly (and even promoting competitors products), Kudos to everyone who contributed!

This is what the owners manual says although the wading depth is given at 300mm there are so many caveats Better to avoid Driving through water Pay attention to the ground clearance of the vehicle. Fast-flowing Deep Water Before driving through water, check the water depth, water speed and the condition of the surface beneath it. The water must not be more than 12 in. (300 mm) deep. Make sure that the door sills and rubber seals are clean before starting to drive. Do not drive through deep or rapidly flowing water. Deep or rapidly flowing water, such as mountain streams or flooded roads, can cause the vehicle to deviate from the desired path and roll over. Avoid producing bow waves by driving at an appropriate speed. Never open the doors when driving through water. Impaired Braking / Soiling Soiling can impair the braking action. Check and clean the brakes if they are soiled. Impaired Steering - Driving in Water Danger of steering assistance failing during a long trip in water if the drive belt slips. If steering assistance fails, more effort will be required to steer. Risk of damage to the engine and accessories if water gets into the vehicle. Before driving through water, check the water depth, water speed and the condition of the surface beneath it. The water must not be more than 12 in. (300 mm) deep. Make sure that the door sills and rubber seals are clean before starting to drive. Do not drive through deep or rapidly flowing water. Deep or rapidly flowing water, such as mountain streams or flooded roads, can cause the vehicle to deviate from the desired path and roll over. Avoid producing bow waves by driving at an appropriate speed. Danger of damage to electrical systems. Avoid driving through salt water. Switch off-road mode on. Switch off the air conditioning compressor. Switch off the headlights. Do not over-rev the engine. Do not perform manual gear changes when driving, and try to avoid stopping. Moving off in water can be difficult due to the high resistance and the loose surface involved. Start driving through water at a shallow place at walking speed. After checking the body of water, take the shortest route through it. Never drive into water with momentum. The resulting bow wave could damage the engine and accessories. Adapt your driving style to unfamiliar surroundings. Drive through the water slowly and at a constant speed. Never turn around when crossing a body of water. If it is not possible to cross a body of water, the vehicle must be backed out in reverse gear. Information The alternator can fail if the vehicle is driven through water for an extended period.

It's exactly like this on Teslas. Apparently they do it this way so that it's easy to service or replace the battery if the need arises without having to strip out the entire interior of the car. The downside is that they are susceptible to water damage although they are in a sealed and water tight chamber. From what I have seen so far on YouTube, most water damage happens at the back of the car where the circuitry is.

As I know outlander PHEV has it's hybrid battery pack pretty low to the ground and outside of the body. Not advisable for any kind of wading I guess.

This is the thing - these are cars for the masses and when you take the masses there's a massive slice of ignorant a##holes. The common cars are a good representation of SriLanka's half-baked middle class society. The type that talk about the environment while dumping garbage over the neighbors wall : the same folk who brag about the 2 Rs. they saved on their fuel efficient Toyota but pump Nitrogen into their tires, and serve Tia#a Ok#y at their sons birthday party.

Cars even most of the current SUVs are not designed to wade. They have complex electronics/ sensors that could damage. I have a Euro SUV and was strongly advised by the agent not to get into water as it could damage sensors and will not be covered by the warranty. Up to about the body height should be ok i guess which gives me about 6 inches on the highest suspension setting. Any car I will not take a chance over 4 inches as once water hit your floor pan there is risk of floating especially on flowing water / waves created by other vehicles. This is irrespective of where the intake is (now mostly at the bonnet level). You will have to check on your vehicle where it is, Nissan FB 14 had it way down at bumper level and many owners got in to trouble trying to wade. If you want to wade get a Land Rover (any model), Land Cruiser, or a pickup all of them are designed to go in water 60-90 cm depending on the vehicle. Some of them even have precautionary measures to safeguard the engine from getting water through the intake.

Well...in most sedans/coupes/hatches the air intake is at a low position either on the side of the fender or behind the grill or the bumper...so the intake vent itself is quite low. Then you also have to consider the electronics and the sensors that are in place. There was a time were Toyota stuck its ECUs in the engine compartment mounted on the side of the wheel well (was not the most sensible or convenient..). True the Hybrid batteries are there but they are nicely snugged inside the cabin...however there could be other components, connectors, etc...that go through the floor board of the vehicle in isolated ducts. During a safe driver training course at work we were told that a quick and general measure on wading depth is that the water should not be deeper than the side steps/"the lower lip of the door" of the car. This also roughly translates to about 1/3rd of the wheel (but that changes from vehicle to vehicle). At the time, this made sense to me. Haven't given much thought about it now. If you think about it there are vehicles where the alternator and other components are also around this height or above (so with this measure you make sure those components do not get drowned out in case the vehicle does not create a bow in front to keep the water out of the engine bay). Also, if the door seals, etc are worn out anything deeper than the above would mean the water start seeping in to the cabin. Also, if the vehicle has to drive in water deeper than than a large part of its bumper, the front of the vehicle acts as a wall and creates a lot of resistance through the water making it difficult to cut through it (so we are talking about high rev in low gear for max torque to bare get through it). Also, because new cars are some what sealed, when the body of water passing under the vehicle gets greater the car does tend to get bouyant making the vehicle lose contact with the ground surface. The latter two I see in Hanoi every time it rains....there are all these Camrys and Kia i10 taxis that try to get through flooded roads and some of them just simply slowly drift off to the center lane separator and smashes on it.

Pretty sure the Civic EG8 has the air intake behind the front bumper on the right hand side. Maybe EG8 owners can confirm. The Subaru Impreza also has the airbox just behind the right hand side headlight and the snorkel might be routed in front of the wheel well, but I'm not sure. I guess it's not just the air intake nowadays. Hybrids and electric cars usually have the battery at the lowest point of the car. While batteries are supposed to be waterproof, there's a higher chance of messing it up if you wade through even the shallowest water.

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LR got the idea for new Defender from the Honda Element...

Couldn't disagree more with you mate, there is still a market for true rugged 4WD's out there albeit not here in SL. you don't want 85 ECU that are waiting to fail on a remote trail on Aussie outback or on an African game trail. Peoples lives depend on these vehicles. Sure it's not a huge market like the mall crawlers have in US or Europe and even SL, but people still use these quite often. Look at the little Jimny, not a massive offroading truck but its an honest 4WD which is quite nimble and capable. It's quite popular in the Scandinavia just because it's simple and practical in tricky conditions. As I see, the real reason they opted to soften the defender was LR has already lost the edge on ruggedness and reliability many ears ago. LR got wiped out from Africa and Australia by Toyota and Middle east was taken over by Nissan. As pretty as they are to the eye, reliability records say a different story. JLR is trying to sell another range rover disguised in defender clothing, only time will tell if they succeed.

Looks are subjective, but I LOVE it.!! Interior design is freaking awesome from what I’ve seen on videos, great blend of ruggedness/simplicity/practicality with technology mixed in. Definitely on the ‘G Wagon’ side of the rugged 4WD spectrum as opposed to the Jeep Wrangler. And some of the numbers are just mental as well, see below compared to the Toyota Prado.!! Towing – 3500KG (Prado – 3000KG?) Payload – 900 Kg, that`s carrying almost a ton at the back! ? (Prado 665KG) Roof rack – 300KG Wading depth – 90CM – that`s driving though water almost a meter deep without affecting the car or factory warranty.! Pretty crazy for a stock car! (Prado 70cm) Monocoque chassis with almost 3 times the structural rigidity of a ladder chassis as claimed by LR! All independent suspension. Looks like LR has spent the time/effort/money on the design and gone all out with this one, but as with most LR products, long term reliability could be iffy. ?

Rather ugly, but I like it anyway. A bit like our eldest in that way, bless him. Just going by it’s looks, I wonder whether it will cannibalise sales from the discovery. Then again the new discovery 5 makes my eyeballs hurt...

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