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  1. There will always be a difference even between the same car ! One person's C-HR getting 8 does not mean every one's C-HR getting 8 ! Again.the 1.2T engine is rated the same range as the 1.5L engine....so what you would get from a C-HR would be within the same range as what you would get from a Premio/Allion. The Premio/Allion is decent but it is not that "ground-breakingly" comfortable.the seats are pretty plush, ride is pudgy. I did not like the Allion/Premio in mountainous roads (in Japan) because the soft suspension meant the body was in a constant pendulum like sway. The RAV4 with the stiffer suspension was more bearable. There is a lot wrong with a 10 year platform (in fact the 260's is older than that because it was a modified version of what the 240 was); for starters its CD is appalling (Allion is a bit better); it is not as strong/secure as most of Toyota's own newer models, most of the mandatory safety features were stuck on as an after thought just to keep the model afloat and there are concerns that the platform really cannot utilize the safety features to its optimum; it barely meets even the latest Japanese eco standards. The 1NZ engine first came out in 1997 and over 20 years it has had many updates that it possibly can handle. A new 1.5L is not being further developed because for the same efficiency (in pretty much all other dimension); the 1.2T matches up. If you are in Japan you would realize that the Allion/Premio is not a very popular car (I swear you see more Allions/Premios in Colombo than in Japan), and it has not been doing well for a long time. (once went to spec out a Premio and the car sales person just showed me a Mark X and said to buy that as its cheaper and better If you think only a Range Rover, etc.. is stable and comfortable as a SUV/Crossover in your book. Then I do feel sorry for you. You say that because the 1.2T was fitted to the CHR the fuel efficiency went down the "drain", well..depends on how deep your drain is. The same engine on the Auris was pretty much the same as the Premio/Allion but the same engine in the the new Corolla sport is the same as the C-HR when it comes to fuel economy. So there is a little bit more to it than just doing a comparison of the weight (both Auris and Corolla sport weigh 1300kg for the manual and 1315 or something for the CVT) The E100 Corolla is proven platform too..so are you saying that the E100 Corolla is actually better ? Pointless continuing this discussion because I think you just proved that you are like one of those Doctors someone mentioned where they rant about how good there Premio is than all other cars So...to answer the OP's question....7-8 is natural....a Premio/Allion or any other 1.5L car would be within this range (8ish on average..9 at most). So..do not buy an Allion/Premio thinking that is is undoubtedly going to get better gas mileage just because people claim it to be (it can go either way depending on your own circumstances). 7-8 kmpl for a pure gasoline cross over is pretty good. If the OP wants a car that does significantly better on fuel...go for a Hybrid...
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  2. The Premio puts out 107hp, and the C-HR 114. Yes..the Premio is rated higher than the C-HR. The CHR is a crossover after all and the comparison is not that fair to begin with. The 1.2L turbo charged engine in the previous Auris was rated the same as the 1.5L Premio/Allion (both cars weighed more or less around the same, Auris a bit more ?). The thing is..between the CHR and the Premio; in the real world there really is not much there to split between the two. Almost all 1.5L cars out there on average are within the same "RANGE" (i.e. less than 10kmpl) with slight variances depending on weight, tech, etc... Toyota's 1.5L cars are coming with 1.2L Turbo charged engines now. I always say...if you are worried about 1 kmpl difference between cars...buy the car you want, eat healthier, join a gym or go jogging and lose weight. you will make up for that difference in cost. As for drag...well...I am pretty sure the CHR would more or less would have an equal CD of the boxier Premio/Allion, so the biggest disadvantage would be the weight. IT IS a crossover after all. So for a car that falls in to the same fuel efficiency "bracket" as the C-HR; with a platform that is a decade old with technology plugged in as a second thought; the Premio.Allion is actually a pretty poor choice. Only positive would be the shiny bits and the upholstery color (if one is in to that). EDIT : I did not include driving enjoyment because whoever looks at Premio/Allion 1.5 would not care about it.
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